Task workflow and processes for managing jobs
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We need to define an agreed-upon set of conventions for moving tasks through our task management system so that everything that we need to communicate is clearly visible to all as jobs are progressed.
Sun
Sun 13 Jan 2019 4:39AM
I wonder if we try to make an estimate on these types of tasks once they are started. Personally it is hard for me to make an estimate on a document until I've started on it and fleshed out a bit of a scope. At this stage an estimate could be created that's agreed to with variation up for discussion as the drafting continues?
Monique Kurdian
Tue 15 Jan 2019 5:35AM
I don’t mind and will support the outcome on this vote either way. I understand if people want to be rewarded for their time right now with equity (especially if they feel they’re doing most of the work) but I don’t believe this kind of input - setting up the community’s frameworks - will add visible value in the short term. I doubt it would mean anything of value to a lending facility or in worst case scenario, a sell-off. It will only add future value as the project becomes sustainable.
Tom
Sat 19 Jan 2019 3:53AM
I think it's energy and it should be accounted for, but it should also be approved by other members. I think the proposal can simply be a loomio vote using the resource calculator sheet I created, just like any other proposal on the property. This also gives people the opportunity to say no to the creation of more procedure, so we mitigate creating a maze of procedures, or unnecessary documentation.
Dean Cameron Tue 22 Jan 2019 3:43AM
Sam it is not that I dont think the work I'm currently doing for ELF is not valuable, it just doesn’t add capital value to the assets. That is why I am proposing that we adopt a second measure of value like Luciano suggested ages ago which is the business value and contributes to the long term cash flow and business functioning. Just as important if not more so that the capital value unless we are wanting to sell the assets. But so far we dont have nay way to reward those no capital inputs. As I'm one who probably stands to gain a lot by including those inputs I keep pushing for I to be recognised as you also are because you too understand that a lot of the work you are doing is adding value to ELF but not the realestate and tangible assets. How can we get the others to engage with this as it is largely ignored in the discussion threads we have created? one way I have thought of would be to go back through the past entries on the google equity spreadsheet and remove all those like toms web site work etc dump them into a new page that is not equity. Maybe than the other ELF folk will get interested in this situation and we can find a resolution?
pospi Tue 22 Jan 2019 7:34AM
Should this comment have been in https://www.loomio.org/d/p7N8BPhe/time-tracking-work-streams-incentivising-and-rewarding-effort ? It seems like we're talking about the same thing across multiple threads at the moment and I'm trying to consolidate them to keep all the discussion in one place...
pospi · Thu 17 Jan 2019 5:19AM
This would be ideal. For jobs like this, I think the work will be ongoing and as such, should be periodically reviewed as to what constitutes a viable solution for the group. As an example, the present status of the document is that it's basically a dump of all the know-how on using various tools, plus a brief section on which tools are for which jobs. This may be sufficient for our needs for now, but I was also considering rewriting / reorganising the content to be process-focused, rather than tools-focused. For example, all the "adding new users" instructions for the various platforms would (I think) ideally be found under a process for "Setting up new voting ELF members". To date, I have spent 2.5hrs on this and we should probably revisit whether we want these changes included.
Thoughts on this review process for work that is difficult to estimate?
Correct. These things are intended to add value in the long term- at some point, the organisational procedures, management processes etc we adopt will become formalised, codified, and thus tangible parts of any external investment. To use Barung Landcare as an example- selling off a block of land has less value than selling off a block of land with an included manual for managing it and maximising its health.
Yes, banks may not look at the business capital of a block of land when considering foreclosure and the current financial system may not recognise such input as valuable, but that's besides the point. The goal here is that we are creating our own economic zone with its own ideas of value and wealth. Signing to the ELF constitution is the process that binds us to the "laws" of our economy, and in that economy we aim to improve upon and supercede current society's definitions of "value".