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Wed 20 Nov 2019 12:57AM

Where do we want to go with this next?

MR Michael Reynolds Public Seen by 49

We are all fully engaged in both this and the work that we do that drives our interest in it...capacity is always an issue.

Regional workshops could be a next step?
Do we need someone to co-ordinate those from an overall perspective or allow people to facilitate in their own way and feedback in?

I really value the connection that has been created through this charter so far...however I feel there is a choice now as to whether we do something with the charter or sit on it?

DU

Deleted account Wed 20 Nov 2019 1:19AM

Kia ora! I'd like to publish the Aotearoa Food Resilience Charter in Organic NZ magazine, if that's OK? And invite readers and subscribers to give feedback on it. Happy to promote it or any associated hui via Organic NZ and our Facebook page. Sorry I've not been engaging with this - lots on my plate always. :-)

MR

Michael Reynolds Wed 20 Nov 2019 1:51AM

It seems to me that publishing it in Organic NZ would be an awesome idea...thoughts @Aaron McLean ?

H

Hannah Wed 20 Nov 2019 2:57AM

Kia Ora Michael, likewise as with Philippa, we'd love to support and get word out any way we can to our biodynamic membership. Via our monthly newsletters to members, hui, social media and by publishing this in the next issue of Harvests magazine too (Autumn 2020 draft deadline Feb). We may be able to allow the space for a workshop or discussion at one of the break out sessions of the 2020 Conference in Christchurch in June. Let me know if you think this will help.

MR

Michael Reynolds Wed 20 Nov 2019 3:32AM

@Hannah I would love to host a session @ the 2020 Biodynamics Conference....and I think Harvests Magazine would be good too...actually all of that!!! @Aaron McLean yes to publishing it in Harvests?

JD

Jason Dodunski Wed 20 Nov 2019 7:34PM

Kia ora all great to see the charter developing and all the energy and enthusiasm around this, apologies I haven't been able to engage more. Getting a draft published to a wider audience and regional feedback sessions sounds like a great next step. Perhaps co-creating some framework/guidelines around feedback, and a small group to hold the coordination (regional reps perhaps ?) I would be happy to share with the Auckland network and UFA. @sarahsk could we look at talking to Phantom to coincide with some of the other publications in 2020, and explore how the charter links in with the UFA members, website, and platform ?

AM

Aaron McLean Thu 21 Nov 2019 9:00PM

Kia ora everybody. Sorry for the slow reply - busy!

Personally I don't know anybody is in a position to publish the charter as a finished document. Is that what's being proposed?

Perhaps putting a poll to this group would give a show of hands as to who feels comfortable endorsing the existing language? But I don;t think we can claim to have charter without a foundation of endorsement. The endorsement I rallied with the last issue of Stone Soup was for a draft, not for a finished document. As far as I'm aware it's currently an invitation to participation... I wouldn't put my name or Stone Soup behind it except as a draft of intent until there has been a consensus building process which collaboratively refines the language. I guess I'm saying it feels like it's still in it's infancy to me, gathering participants. We have a great network growing, but this isn;t a representation that could claim a nation wide charter.

Regional hui sound like the next step I agree. I guess the difficulty is the time of year, people are busy. Could we aim to congregate around the country in the New Year? Whihc will perhaps allow time to participate in the opportunities Philippa is offering?

AFA

Aotearoa Food Action Alliance Thu 21 Nov 2019 9:12PM

I should clarify, if we're talking about Organic NZ and Harvest publishing a draft charter and invitation as Stone Soup did, to broaden the audience and increase the potential of participation, then of course that sounds great.

Jason's suggestion of regional reps sounds sensible, so long as they are democratically elected and we don't end up with an administrative apparatus which excludes those being asked to endorse the charter.

Again, I think this group would do well to learn form the structure achieved by Te Waka Kai Ora with Hua Parakore, and from La Via Campasina. Local, distributed and transparent. rather than administered by a centralised organisation. That would have me personally running for the hills.

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MR

Michael Reynolds Fri 22 Nov 2019 12:33AM

@Aaron McLean Yes...still very much published as a draft...I am in total agreement that this mahi has only just begun. It would be great to get it in front of more eyes and hearts.

I agree with the decentralised approach and for the regional hui to happen in the first part of 2020.

AM

Aaron McLean Thu 21 Nov 2019 9:22PM

Just going to drop these here.

La Via Campesina’s seven Principles of Food Sovereignty

Food: A Basic Human Right...

Agrarian Reform....

Protecting Natural Resources....

Reorganizing Food Trade...

Ending the Globalization of Hunger....

Social Peace. ...

Democratic control.

And Elinor Ostrom's 8 principles of managing a commons, here fleshed out by @Dan K

  1. Clearly defined boundaries: for both group membership and the resource, setting out who is entitled to use it, and what their rights and obligations are.

  2. Proportional equivalence between benefits and costs: a technical way of saying fairness– group members need to all pull their weight, and if some have to do extra work, then this needs to be rewarded. Both unearned inequality and imposed equivalence undermine cooperation.

  3. Inclusive, democratic decision-making: individuals who are involved in the process of rule creation are much more likely to follow them than if they are imposed from outside. Further, group members have a far more intimate knowledge of their local circumstances, and are able to respond flexibly to changes in a way outside regulators aren’t.

  4. Monitoring agreed-upon behaviour: free-riding is always a risk, but groups that formalise responsibility for detecting transgressions are able to minimise its impact.

  5. Graduated sanctions: groups that are too heavy handed quickly dissolve, while those who fail to respond are easily exploited. Best outcomes occurred when initial transgressions were gently corrected but ongoing transgressions met with increasingly heavy sanctions and ultimately, exclusion.

  6. Fast and fair conflict resolution mechanisms: conflict is an inescapable aspect of human group living, but groups that formalised collectively agreed fair procedures for speedy dispute resolution were able to avoid the chronic infighting which collapses group trust.

  7. Local autonomy: groups must have the authority to organize their own affairs in accordance with their own processes. Outside interference limits the power of the collective to self-determine and thus undermines the willingness to follow the rules that were collectively made under principle 3.

  8. Appropriate relations with other groups: no group exists in isolation. Those that do best are accorded the local autonomy required under principle 7 but also able to connect to other groups and other layers of social organisation when necessary. For example, the European Union’s principle of subsidiarity recognises that governance tasks should fall to the most local scale where possible, but also acknowledges that some issues require agreement at a higher level of governance.

DU

Deleted account Wed 27 Nov 2019 3:04AM

Kia ora koutou, thanks everyone. Yes absolutely to publishing the charter as a draft and inviting feedback, as per Stone Soup. Is there any update to the Charter that was published in Stone Soup vol 8 "Lost at Sea"?

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