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Justin, one woman's idea turned into "Bank Transfer Day," the first successful massive action that Occupy was in Solidarity with. Kristen Christian was not even an Occupier, but because of her idea, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of closed bank accounts, she was attacked by (most likely infiltrator) Occupiers from Los Angeles. There was no Solidarity statement needed: An idea was presented and the actions occurred. After that they ran our camps down. So please excuse me if i am protective of idea that i know will catapult the idea of Occupying Wall Street back into public consciousness. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. i don't even know why you are angry with me ... what did i do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Transfer_Day

Um, you proposed to make Nat Gat happen as apart of Rose Parade protest.

Unclear where you got anger from.

Occupy is in the public consciousness daily.

Look to #Ferguson, #BlackLivesMatter & the #ShutItDown Tactic.

So putting personal work aside can we get back to what you proposed & if this group wants to piggy back Nat Gat on Rose Bowl.

That'd be awesome.

Sounds great! What are plans for housing, meals, etc? And what is planned for the other 2 weeks?

Carolyn, we are working on logistics this weekend, and as you know, all the food for last year's Nat Gat was gathered by a few of our Organic farmers who are working with farms here locally. Exact dates will vary, as right now, our only idea is to get everyone to the Occupy the Rose Parade event on January 1, 2016. For housing we have some people looking into parks, but there is no problem sleeping in vehicles in Los Angeles, and the 40,000 homeless in the city are allowed to set up tents, so we can hard ground it, as well. We would need to have people arrive at least by the day before, or earlier if people want to create or assemble their signs, floats or attire here. The event starts very early in the morning, and there is public transportation from Los Angeles, but we will look into places to camp/stay near the parade route, where many,many people - a million? - will be camped out for the parade the next day. i will keep people posted after meetings in LA this week. Thanks for your positive reply! :)

Umm. I'm not Justin Wedes & actually Detroit Water Brigade turned out to be a bit of a false flag created by Wedes.. The crisis was not a severe as he portrayed it to be. He had a personal vision of creating Occupy Sandy style Hubs in Detroit that he would be the lead stakeholder of.

He had three up & running before locals realized he was fundraising & soliciting unneeded donations.

So you know- He was eventually exiled for the exact kind of solo organizing you are suggesting using a Group's branding he didn't have consent or consensus from.

I'm actually based in NYC & work with NYC Lite Brigade when they need a hand.. Never worked with DWB & like most of #OWS have distanced myself from Wedes, Grim, Tunney & Micah White due to their weird interpretations of how we organize as a community and habit of soliciting donations for personal expenses.

The projects I'm involved with (like the rest of the #OWS projects still running) shed the Occupy branding to avoid the targeted harassment you've experienced.

Occupy is very much in the public consciousness.

You can see some of our work via the hashtags #OpSafeWinter, #ShutItDown, #SpectraPipeline, #TPP, #BlackLivesMatter, #MAM, #FightFor15 just to list a few off the top of my head..

Occupy is a movement of movements & groups made up of individuals.

3 people supporting + one front line visionary does not a Nat Gat make...

I'd like to suggest folks take a look at Tidal Magazine to understand where the movement is at. It's always been the intellectual heart of the movement & where we as a community coordinate our next steps.

http://tidalmag.org/

There's a reason we don't Occupy Wall Street anymore.

So I stand by my block.

Not a good idea having one person create another California based Nat Gat in this manner wo any consensus building going on.

Our movement is bigger than the 6 people having this convo on Loomio.

I cannot comment on DWB—I do not shed the Occupy brand and resent folks who do; I think Occupy Sandy showed how we can present Occupy in a manner that weakens the pushback. However, I was wondering about how to get a larger discussion of this going; there does seem to be good energy and some organizing already happening in Southern California, and the “NatGat Organizing Group” disbanded after the closing of the 2014 Gathering, so how do we broaden this discussion? How do we start to build the consensus to make this a valid NATIONAL, rather than REGIONAL, event?

In my view, the time put into organizing last year was valuable in that we had people from the east, south, north and west and overseas. It wasn't large but it was national and even international. Occupying the Rose Bowl is a great photo op and action and place to have an Occupy Gathering, but it's not going to a Nat Gat.

This group could be useful. I think we could compose a great solidarity statement and conduct outreach and, if possible, show up.

Thank-you to all of you for your input. i hear and understand what each of you is saying. And i am very upset with the whole "i started Occupy Wall Street' group. They may have "started" OWS, but clearly they have no follow through, because the best way to fight the Wall Street Banks, at this point, is the word "OCCUPY." As long as we, even symbolically, "Occupy Wall Street," the 1% cannot hide. In my opinion, keeping the words "Occupy Wall Street" alive is our very best peaceful, non-violent tool to fight the banksters.

Again, there have been MANY of us talking about a National Gathering in Southern California for almost a year and a half, it's not just me. i am just "the one on Loomio." Many people just don't want to deal with what they feel was a corrupted process from the start. There is so much drama, and that might be funny coming from me, but i am just a mirror. Coming here to Loomio made my hands shake, because i was psychologically attacked by an insidiously pervasive person during the organizing of the last one, and i know i over-reacted setting up a WALL against this person at the start - NOT YOU, Justin, and i'm sorry i thought you were the other Justin. Are you "Justin from Info?" :)

A potential NatGat in San Diego that was proposed by other OSD people at the first NatGat in Philly was struck down by Occupy San Diego. i was one of the ones who blocked that gathering, because it was to be held on 12-12-12 at the USA/Mexico border in conjunction with Occupy Tijuana and during a time when families are coming back and forth for the holidays to be with their families. i blocked a NatGat in my home town, because i felt it would endanger the families during their holidays, and i did not want to bring a high profile event to increase security and possibly cause problem for these people who need to go back and forth over the border. We are 25 miles from the International Border here, and many of our jointly planned international actions got sabotaged. That is another reason i waited until the last minute to propose this. It seems the longer ahead we plan, the more drama. i was trying to spare the group but i am obviously not very good at it. i am too emotional. :(

FYI: We are setting up a major occupation here. If all goes as planned, we hope it will create a domino effect throughout the country.Please remember this, when and if you hear about what we do. i apologize for the Security Culture here, but i was hoping that we could have a NatGat here, also, because we are planning this major move. We need more Occupiers to "hold down the fort," ... hopefully we can find them somewhere else, then.

i love you all, so much, even if you don't like me, you are my greatest teachers. i did not mean to appear to be acting alone - "the LONE NatGat Organizer Hypothesis - but many fear coming forward. Do you blame them?

It was just an idea. And ideas are bullet proof. It seems silly that 6 people could decide that a whole nation of people cannot come to create a NatGat here. i wonder what would have happened if OWS asked for permission first? At the heart of our documents, it says that we came together as INDIVIDUALS, in Solidarity. i am still in Solidarity with Occupy Wall Street, so i wonder Justin, if you say, "we no longer Occupy Wall Street," are you still a part of this group? If you no longer believe in what we are doing, why do you object?

Much LOVE, ONE LOVE, and i'll see those of you who can come at the Occupy the Rose Parade on January 1.

Donna can you help draft a Solidarity Statement & Call to Action we move through the consensus process on here so we can as a group lend our support and shake the Occupy network into heading to the Jan actions in & around the Rose Parade.

Yes I am Justin from Info.

Just slightly defensive about the often made confusion between we & Wedes.

<3 Justin

Thank-you Justin from Info. i do not care to draft a proposal, and would defer that to someone with more experience drafting Occupy documents.

i understand your defensiveness. ComPLETEly. Keep on truckin, Justin ... you do what you do.

Solidarity means that you stand with whatever from where ever you are located. i will always be in Solidarity with the message of Occupy Wall Street. i personally believe that keeping a focus on Wall Street is of utmost importance to our multitudinous causes. We all have our own ideas and driving forces. i am an Occupier of Wall Street. Just so you all know. i will stay here at the core of our mutual experience, and hold a root to our connection deep in my heart. We are all creating massive energy right now, as the System implodes. Good Activism to all of you, and again, always, much love ... especially to the haters. (Not YOU, Justin from Info) :D

There is no defensiveness actually, that I think is a little projection on your part.

Just trying to share established proven effective community tools & practices..

You already have the makings of a great solidarity statement and to be honest as it is something you are very passionate about you are best suited to help with the first draft.

If you start a Solidarity Statement proposal here I'd be more than happy to help refine into a shape Occupiers of all types will embrace & pass on to their communities.

Here are a couple examples I moved through the consensus process back when we still held GAs.

Tsampa Revolution Solidarity Statement: http://www.nycga.net/2012/03/proposal-for-tsampa-revolution-non-violent-solidarity-statement/

#TrinitySleeps Encampment Solidarity Statement: http://www.nycga.net/2012/07/occupy-union-square-encampment-trinity-sleeps-solidarity-statement/

<3 Justin "Not Wedes" Stone-Diaz