Gather at Open State Camp?

@joshuavial ok, that clears a few things up. But it does not answer the question of to what extent those standards are actually workable for an operational system for a value network (or worker cooperative).

Re valnet, we refactor regularly. When we think we got the intended scope pretty much filled out, we want to think about how much we can break it apart and skinny it down. It will be an interesting conversation. I can see some parts that really want to be separated, and some maybe could be separated but it might not be the best idea, and some I think will have a hard time working unless they run on one box.

@bobhaugen When we started moving from large apps with modules (my.enspiral or Loomio) and building out a suite of apps that talk to each other the skinny app idea emerged naturally.

Authentication, circles, people etc. started to be shared across everything so it made sense for them to be stand alone apps. For example, in a multi app system it really doesn't make sense for groups to be defined in Loomio but it does make sense for a circles app to handle that and any app (pretty much all of them) which wants to do something with groups can reference it to find out things like what groups can this person access.

We also found that my.enspiral was performing two main tasks for us - one is as a virtual bank so we can easily create accounts for things and transfer money into those accounts. So our one bank account gets turned into 150 or so which people can interact with like they would internet banking.

It also handles tracking of invoices so that when an invoice is raised it knows which accounts to put the money in once the invoice is paid.

There is pretty much no reason why those two functions should be in the same app and the integration we require can easily be handled by an invoices app making api calls to an accounts app.

We agree about authentication and people.

Re groups: we have evolved a fairly decent organizational structure, through trial and error with various groups. Not sure it fits with your groups, but we might want to discuss it. Our previous discussion here:
http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Network_of_Networks

I don't actually believe in invoices, but lots of people disagree. I think, you already know what you owe me, and so do I. Pay up! But whatever...

I put a new comment on the Small Pieces topic in this other forum https://www.loomio.org/d/me8KuZLx/what-are-the-requirements-for-ovn-infrastructure

(Easier way to reference that in a Loomio comment?)

@bobhaugen you can reference the comment by copying the link address of the 'time ago' e.g. https://www.loomio.org/d/me8KuZLx/what-are-the-requirements-for-ovn-infrastructure#comment-117877

Simon, thanks.