Space Adoption

I totally agree that the UK is NOT Scandanavia and we're seriously lacking in deeply participatory, self organising culture. AND I think rather than accommodating that reality, we have an opportunity to change it within our teenie tiny Celtic Burn community.

I like the suggestion of the yurts being used for communal spaces and not sleeping. They're great spaces and it feels like a waste to just have them as a luxury bedroom.

In terms of making the decision of who gets to stay in bunkhouses, shall we consider the possibility of paying extra to do so? I know there was talk of not having different opt-in costs, but those of us staying in live-in vehicles will be paying a lot more in fuel than the travel costs of people staying in bunks.

The biggest problem is space. If everyone came in a live in vehicle, we simply don’t have room to fit them in, we fairly well maxed out the places we were allowed to put vans last year.

I’m also quite strongly disagree with the idea of people paying extra to get an inside bed, it feels very wrong. I’m not sure what you mean about higher costs for people choosing to come in vans? How people choose to travel to a burn doesn’t really have any impact on accommodation does it? And anyway, people staying in hunks still have to get there which will have a cost (probably similar to van travel costs?) Sorry if I’m misunderstanding you, but how people choose to travel to the burn doesn’t feel relevant to how much they should pay to be there.

I just mean that the fuel cost of transporting a live-in vehicle is much higher than other means of transport. The way of getting there is related to accommodation as people who don't have accommodation on site will need to bring their own.

I'm not saying this has to be the answer. It does feel fair to me that people offered beds pay slightly more, as those of us who need to bring vans have to pay lots more in fuel. It's not as frustrating as having a handful of luxury glamping beds covered by everyone though.

My view is no one group or person should pay extra unless they want to. I would rather offer an incentive to those that save space.

Sleeping accommodation makes up a large chunk of what we pay for the site and is not used by everyone. Few folk were talking about this last year and I understand the logic but not my view. I like the membership model where everyone pays the same and we manage the resources we have best as we can together. This gets tricky if we start charging more for one group over another.

The master spreadsheet contains sleeping preferences which will be useful for this discussion! Still another 45 memberships to be sold but currently there are 24 respondents who want a bunk https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1auD-irDL0ubiOI588_rxKJNqkKovz7kCI2WjMyPxmjQ/edit?usp=sharing

Does anyone have a list of measurements for each space on site? Thanks.

I don't think there are any measurements. Pictures is best we have I think. What you thinking?

For a parachute activity ^_^

It’s more outside space I need to measure actually.

Hi! We like to bring a small version of Camp Costume Camp. Is there an obvious place for it in one of the spaces? I haven't been before, so not clear on what is there and what it looks like.

Hey Sabine! What is it that you'd like to bring, exactly? are you looking to host events?

It would be similar to CCC at Nest or Microburn. We could bring just lots of costumes and a make-up station. But can also expand to become a workshop space and/or bring speakers to organise a few parties. I guess it depends a bit on the space available. We could even build a structure outside, but I don't know if there is any space for that, or how that would pan out if it is very cold. For loud music and/or party space it obviously will need to fit within the sound restrictions on the site, which I also don't know anything about yet. So to summarise, we can make it big, we can make it small :).

there is space for sure to build a tent outside- next to the roundhouse last year we had a carport-sized space, for example.

i dont know of any of the yurts that would fit something as large as costume camp was at nest but maybe i am wrong.

It would be smaller then nest as we're less people in total and don't have a van for transport so we'll need to see what fits and how we can best pack.

Would one of the yurts be big enough for CCC?

I think that would if one if available.

please have a look at the trello cards 'camps/space adoption proposals' & 'Bed allocations' :)

Summarising this archival convo to move forward in actually claiming/assigning spaces..

Theme camps vs sleeping: decided

Thanks to foxy who seems to have well distributed the more sleeping spaces vibes from the more theme camp style structures on the 2 tabs in the main spreadsheet.

Bed claims: undecided

it seems like who gets a bed from the bunk spaces is still not decided, we could either do a lottery or see how many people claimed they needed on and if there might be enough room. we could have sleeping areas claimed by individuals or camps (i.e. gate crew had bunks in the cottage by gate last year). I think how people get beds is still a more open question, especially as their seem to be more people who want beds than have them.

Here is the trello card on that: https://trello.com/c/1hixMFwO/106-bed-allocations

Perhaps we need to check about ash's comment that there might be fire safety regulations in terms of how many air mattresses/ folks sleeping we can have in the bunk rooms?

My post-decomm reactionary ideas of beds as volunteer incentives were shot down by the renegade borderlanders and i put my swords down in respect & reverence to your decentralised ways.

The concept of payment for beds was unpopular.

Space Adoption: in process

*larch family yurt has been claimed as Bunny Circus

*Zen sauna has claimed the main sauna area so please collaborate with them for all your sauna based desires

*ye olde thirst trap/ oak family yurt (I believe it's called) potentially by costume camp?

*tipi by welfare

*Couples yurt by Beayurt

These adoptions have kind of happened naturally, between dreams and especially after the discussions at the meeting.

you are definitely able to contest those initial claims if you want one of those spots for your own theme camp by just popping on the spreadsheet and writing your name as second adopter, and perhaps contacting those who have already claimed it to give you rEaSoNz.

Pro tip: check out the dream associated with the space to learn more about what they plan to do with it: https://dreams.wtf/northern-regional/celts-dreams-2023

You can also collaborate with those camps if you want to run a workshop or event, either before the event or during.

Also, there are still 2 yurts to be adopted. Consider whether you and your crew, or a new crew of people who have shared interests as you, would like to adopt a yurt meaning being responsible for it's LNT footprint, caring for it, decorating it and filling it with life and magic.

I believe this is an adequate general summary of this thread and we can probably go ahead and close it soon! Please write here whatever i missed.

+1 for closing this thread. Please follow the 'Bed allocation' Trello card https://trello.com/c/1hixMFwO and give input on the pending decisions therein!