Choice of venue for meta discussions (Loomio vs Mastodon)
Mayel de Borniol
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(cross-posting from https://social.coop/web/statuses/1863886 )
While chatting with Jennifer earlier (who is on #SocialCoop @SociocracyForAll) but wasn't aware of our Loomio, like many of our 572 members I'm sure, only 68 of which are on Loomio) I realised that our #Mastodon instance is our "town square" where we all hang out and chat, so why are we relocating to a "meeting room" (Loomio) to have meta discussions.
Yes, Loomio has cool decision-making tools, but why not discuss [on Mastodon], and simply link to the proposal when we need to actually make a decision?
Curious what you all think?
Mayel de Borniol Thu 12 Oct 2017 8:42AM
Loving the conversation about integration @horatiotrobinson started on Mastodon: https://social.coop/web/statuses/1868600
Matthew Cropp Fri 13 Oct 2017 1:50AM
The one issue with that conversation, rich, though it was, is it got somewhat hard for me to coherently follow it, after the fact. I did after a fashion, but it was unwieldy. So, I think we'll get more engagement with meta-discussions on Masto so long as they don't get too intricate, at which point it might make sense to move conversation here or potentially to a blog/wiki type format as things go from brainstorming to conceptualizing.
@h Sun 15 Oct 2017 2:17PM
My bad, I should have presented something more coherent and organised. The thing is I didn't intend to develop those ideas too far, but it developed spontaneuosly and I kept producing things because I happened to have the extra time and energies, something I hadn't anticipated. I should probably start a blog, or an independent project people can pick from the bits they like and I can keep my own pace, or no pace at all.
That would probably detract a bit from the feedback loop, so I'm unsure how to follow up. I'll probably start with some code and see where it leads from there.
Mayel de Borniol Sun 15 Oct 2017 3:33PM
I found it very helpful! please keep it up @horatiotrobinson :)
@h Sun 15 Oct 2017 4:46PM
Thank you. I find Loomio harder to work on. It's a great tool for what it's intended to do, and it mostly does it right, but I find it limiting for everything else.
Mayel de Borniol Sun 15 Oct 2017 4:53PM
I agree
@h Sun 15 Oct 2017 6:40PM
Now that I revived my blog, I'm going to try to be more coherent posting there, and creating the habit of only linking from here, and from Mastodon, so it's all less confusing.
This ties in with one of the other ongoing proposals about free software and new services, one of the ideas listed is hosting a social.coop blogging service.
Fabián Heredia Montiel Mon 16 Oct 2017 3:14AM
If Gargron is serious about going for groups after 2.0 then we could create a "meta" group in Mastodon to have the discussions.
Fabián Heredia Montiel · Wed 11 Oct 2017 5:17PM
I agree that there is an issue of knowing about and getting into Loomio, however, I don't think Mastodon should be the town square.
There should be a way to discuss issues and I believe that it should be more of a "chat" platform than a microblogging one. There is a Riot/Matrix one already and a Keybase one.
Keybase has the advantage of creating channels but the backend is closed source as far as I know. Hosting something similar like Mattermost would complicate the tech/hosting side. Slack is completely privative so that would be a nogo.