Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:35AM

Group membrane and gatekeeping agreements for new collective governance members

P pospi Public Seen by 64

We need to formalise some decisions and processes as to how we bring new people in to the group in these early stages. It is assumed that eventually we want things to be completely open; but in this embryonic phase it may be better to lay a good foundation first.


pospi Fri 14 Feb 2020 1:43AM

In our call today it was decided unanimously by @pospi @Tom @Noah Thorp @Jean Russell @Lynn Foster @Sid Sthalekar & @Emaline to open up this group to public visibility and allow newcomers who might be interested to join us. So I think that's all to decide for now- we can talk about the specifics of inclusion processes and how to manage expressions of interest in another thread.


Wed 22 Jan 2020 5:12PM

Only abstaining because I don't know her. In generally, agree with growing the group, and am fine taking your all words for new people.


Poll Created Wed 22 Jan 2020 3:22AM

Invite Carolyn Beer to participate in the collective, Loomio group & convening call Closed Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:02AM

by pospi Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:07AM

Hmm, not enough engagement here to make a decision I feel comfortable with. We'll have to leave this for now.

For those who don't know her, Carolyn is a passionate and talented human who works with integrity. She works in managing the Holochain community and has taken on the job of stewarding HOLO's organisational culture, so there's a lot of intersection between her goals and our own.

Besides doing a lot of work to build community (especially developer community around Holo-REA), she also has an interest in being involved with academia, particularly in writing on the intersections between AI / race / class & gender.

For these reasons and more, and because I can see an obvious path where a "Holochain community technology commons" becomes one of this group's funded projects, I think we should bring Carolyn in as early as possible.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 75.0% 3  
Abstain 25.0% 1  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

4 of 4 people have participated (100%)


pospi Fri 20 Dec 2019 12:54AM

Aw damnit! The only options for Loomio are fully public, or visibility of the group and private threads (the opposite of what we want).

I guess I need to run another poll to see how people feel about being discoverable... at least I can configure Gitbook how we want to...

Readonly shareable Gitbook URL is https://economikit.gitbook.io/group-governance/-LwVmwtwlxCxHXJ5Brd8/


pospi Fri 20 Dec 2019 12:46AM

Heads up- I feel confident in going ahead and actioning this - there are some people I'd like to loop in on what we're doing. Everyone has now responded who has posted elsewhere in this group, so I think that's as good as "full consent" that we're going to get... (plus, one imagines, if you haven't added any content yet you have not much stake in its visibility).

Will probably refrain from sharing links until around this time tomorrow (when the poll ends), just to allow space for any final comments or objections.


Bob Haugen Tue 17 Dec 2019 1:00PM

I'm good with playing it by ear for awhile.


pospi Mon 16 Dec 2019 10:20PM

@Bob Haugen see https://www.loomio.org/d/YyVlaxkz/formalising-voting-and-validity-of-decision-making-processes/1; maybe we can define the logic for how to interact with a few variants, and when they might be appropriate?


Bob Haugen Mon 16 Dec 2019 3:14PM

you don't necessarily need to have the abstain / block. Perhaps this is a pointer that we should always include those options?

Not necessarily, I'm good with experiments. In this case, I would have abstained until @Tom explained what it meant, so maybe that was good...?


Tom Sun 15 Dec 2019 11:50PM

Hey Bob, it just allows us to share links on different votes or conversations with people outside this group but unlisted also means these links/pages don't get indexed by search engines.


pospi Mon 16 Dec 2019 12:11AM

Sorry for the bad wording, Tom is correct! (below)
Also, in Loomio 2.0 there are choices for the proposal options... you don't necessarily need to have the abstain / block. Perhaps this is a pointer that we should always include those options? I thought ommitting them would result in quicker cat-herding, seems I was quite wrong about that ><

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