[post] Het initiatiefrecht voor de burger

@Lander Meeusen I have access to the ppbe website so when I see a consensus is reached about this article, I'll post it (at least the version in dutch). I don't see any emergency, so I guess it's best to wait a bit more, as the discussion seems to still be open anyway. I have myself some comments, but I read it only very quickly for now so sorry if I missed something:

• there is an initiative in Wallonia these days ( https://www.wallonie.be/fr/actualites/get-wallonia-grand-succes-pour-la-consultation-citoyenne ) with 10.000 citizens participating. From what I see, the same issue happens : citizens make proposals, and politicians get to decide which ones are worthy of becoming concrete (when the democratic process enters a black box like that, it's when the democracy ends)

• I join Ilja in the doubts about the path to digital elections. For the example about Wallonia I just mentioned, it was possible to cast your proposal on paper in your municipality. Otherwise it becomes more elitism for educated, rich, white males with enough computer knowledge.

I agree, but I would keep this post about the federal initiative. I would like to make a separate post about the Wallonia citizen consultation. I think smaller posts are more readable. It's better in general to stick to one point, or people stop following.

I agree about digital elections. I don't think it's an or/or discussion, but and/and. For the federal initiative there are 3 options: through the website (with e-ID), through e-mail or on paper. I think you can't combine these three methods, which is not right.

Is it ok to post, if we add Ilya's suggestions about the 'digital elections' bit? Other than that I don't see any opposition to this post, right?

OK, it makes sense to keep it short indeed.

I can publish it on the website on 06/01 around noon if that's ok for you? This leaves tonight and tomorrow for last minutes correction (it shouldn't be rushed, as we just had a long weekend actually, maybe some pirates are only discovering this proposal now). I'll try to make the translation in French, don't know if it will be done at the same time. It's not important to publish both languages at the exact same moment, actually it gives room for both texts to circulate.

The line that shows the example (cannabis), I think it would fit best in a footnote. Because it's not essential to read it to understand, and also because I think the text ends up much better with the previous paragraph. OK for you?

One last issue about the image you want to include. I can't find any license, so unless you tell me otherwise, it's protected by a conventional copyright and can't be used in our publication. Do you know the license and/or do you have an alternative illustration?

Also thank you for your work!

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Derniers commentaires sur ce texte ce soir ou demain, la publication se fera normalement le 06/01 à midi.

Very good for me. Here's an alternative image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Federal_Parliament#/media/File:Palais_de_la_Nation_Bruxelles.jpg

Het Europese land Estonia heeft al meerdere jaren een erg uitgewerkt internet toegankelijk systeem voor te stemmen: i-Voting ... https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/i-voting/ . Dit betekent niet dat iedereen daarvan moet gebruik maken

. Maar het kan en dat is alvast op meerdere vlakken een positieve aanwinst, dewelke we in België nog steeds niet hebben. Uiteraard zijn er mensen die uit principe of uit onkunde heirvan geen gebruik kunnen en/of willen van maken. Maar dat is geen reden om het niet op te starten.

Het artikel is nu op de website : https://nl.pirateparty.be/het-initiatiefrecht-voor-de-burger/ bedankt @Lander Meeusen & anderen piraten. Morgen zal het in frans vertaald & gepubliceerd ook (normally, at least)

L'article est publié sur le site : https://nl.pirateparty.be/het-initiatiefrecht-voor-de-burger/ et sera traduit & publié d'ici demain a priori.

Please share it :)

I only finished the translation now, and as I had less time than expected to do it, I'm afraid I did it too quickly. So I'd rather give it 24 more hours to check my own translation unless other pirates proofread it before. Sorry about the little delay. But the work is done already, which is the most important, and I'll have all the time tomorrow to re-read and publish it.

L'article est maintenant publié en français : https://fr.pirateparty.be/le-droit-dinitiative-des-citoyens/ Merci de partager :)

The article is now published in the french version, thanks for sharing where you can :)

Thank you Renaud! I published both versions on the facebook-pages of PPBE and the Dutch version on PPAntwerpen.