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Mon 26 Feb 2018 11:39AM

Natural Birth as a Commons

XV Xavier Veciana Public Seen by 122

I have sent e-mails to Commons Transition and P2P-F web sites to find out contacts doing research on this subject. Please advise.

ST

Stacco Troncoso Mon 26 Feb 2018 11:56AM

Dear Xavier, the email works fine but we're not always able to answer straight away. We will respond via email, thanks.

XV

Xavier Veciana Mon 26 Feb 2018 4:12PM

Dear Stacco,

Thanks very much for your answer.

I am a Commons partisan and great admirer and supporter of your excellent initiative of Commons Transition, and being presently involved in many different projects.

In one of my activities, I am assisting a group of women in The Netherlands who have developed an organization and are struggling since 30 years ago for the defense and the healthy practice of Natural Birth. They are today involved in trying to decrease the influence of the official medical and pharmaceutical companies which tend to manage it as an industry, and engaged in extending and improving the natural birth practice. While they have developed important technical, administrative and scientific infrastructure and published considerable works on the subject, they lack of organized community support for their cause.

Since Natural Birth is one of the most vital human activities which should be considered as a “Commons” ownership and, therefore, be managed freely and directly by the community, I am seeking from CT assistance and recommendation of how they could get in touch and build a “Commons” based support who could provide them of the theoretical framework and the network strength to carry out their social and health work into a successful venture.

Any suggestion, recommendations and contacts would be welcome.

Kind regards,

Xavier Veciana

De: Stacco Troncoso (Loomio) [mailto:[email protected]]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 26 de fevereiro de 2018 08:57
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: [Commons Transition] Email - Commons Transition - P2P Foundation

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Stacco Troncoso Tue 27 Feb 2018 3:37PM

Dear Xavier,

Commons thrive on their specificity: the myriad cultural and material circumstances that incite social processes. The people best equipped to determine what needs should be met by your particular commons are, of course, those directly affected, while also reaching out to similar initiative and seeing whether a shared commons framework can interweave these. In my opinion though, trying Commons to "ownership" is an economistic and resource/centered view of the Commons while we prefer to see them as complex relational processes

For general P2P/Commons materials see our Commons Transition Primer, which is structured both as a concrete introduction to our philosophy and as a "first stop" for our abundant knowledge resources. We don't have anything specific on natality or natural child birth, so we'd encourage you to contribute, whether through our wikis or blog to reflect this. We do have resources on health both in the P2PF Wiki and P2PF blog.

ST

Stacco Troncoso Tue 27 Feb 2018 3:38PM

PS: I've edited the thread title to attract more content-specific contributions.

XV

Xavier Veciana Tue 27 Feb 2018 4:13PM

Right, thanks

Xavier

De: Stacco Troncoso (Loomio) [mailto:[email protected]]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 27 de fevereiro de 2018 12:39
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: [Commons Transition] Natural Birth as a Commons

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Xavier Veciana Tue 27 Feb 2018 4:20PM

Stacco,

Agree with you. By using “ownership” I meant the common control of the process by the actors.

I have read all CT theoretical documentation and don´t have any doubts on that level of resources. What I need to find is other “commons” in similar fields or regions in order to create a critical mass which can support and encourage our existing “Natural Birth” group.

Do you know any other “Commons” group in the Netherlands (Amsterdam?) or any working in Health issues?

Thanks very much for your contributions which are a great assistance to our projects.

Rgds,

Xavier

De: Stacco Troncoso (Loomio) [mailto:[email protected]]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 27 de fevereiro de 2018 12:38
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: [Commons Transition] Natural Birth as a Commons

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Stacco Troncoso Tue 27 Feb 2018 4:33PM

@xavy Our friends in Commons Network are due to publish a paper on health as a common, focused on the EU situation. See also this article they wrote Health Care Is Not A Business, But A Fundamental Right.

I'm tagging @thomasdegroot from CN to see if he can help you. The European Commons Assembly also has a health working group. Perhaps the best way would be to embed Natural Birth within a wider health-commons alliance. Another thing that comes to mind is midwifery, as I believe there are progressive movements in that field.

XV

Xavier Veciana Tue 27 Feb 2018 5:37PM

Stacco,

Yes, excellent. Let´s see if @thomasdegroot can assist.

Do you know of any midwifery groups in the “Commons”?

Rgds,

Xavier

De: Stacco Troncoso (Loomio) [mailto:[email protected]]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 27 de fevereiro de 2018 13:33
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: Stacco Troncoso mentioned you in: Natural Birth as a Commons

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Xavier Veciana Thu 1 Mar 2018 1:46PM

I am looking forward to integrate a group of interested persons working and promoting the natural birth, both in scientific and medical research and in the practice of midwifery or obstetrics. A group of activist women is struggling in this field in Amsterdam and is looking for a wider and deeper communication and support in the commons environment and social process development. We would appreciate anyone interested in this field or in the more general of "Health as Commons" to contact us and let us know their initiatives to study synergies and debates.

SG

Simon Grant Thu 1 Mar 2018 2:04PM

My three oldest children were born at home, following natural practices.
If I could give my personal view on this, I would see it as the knowledge, skills and competences surrounding natural birth as a socio-intellectual commons, used by and maintained by those experiencing natural birth, as well as natural birth assistants ("midwives"). It would be really interesting in many ways to think through how natural birth assistants could be accredited by a commons-based system in a commons-oriented process. It would be a great starting point to extending this approach to other areas of healthcare.

I would be happy to help you write an entry in the P2PF wiki if that would help.

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