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Fri 17 Nov 2017 8:34PM

Add Planetary Science?

TN Tom Narock Public Seen by 456

We've received a request, via the OSF support email, to accept Planetary Science papers. Currently, the taxonomy that OSF uses doesn't have any keywords on Planetary Science. In theory, an author could submit a paper on the topic. However, the author couldn't tag it as such. Extending the taxonomy is fairly trivial. We just need to decide on the terms and where to place them in the existing hierarchy. What does everyone think? I could see planetary geophysics studies of interest to our community. The occasional planetary-astrophysics papers could be removed as part of our manual moderation.

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brandon Tue 21 Nov 2017 8:54PM

@tomnarock1 adding "& Planetary" seems completely reasonable to me.

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wrenmontgomery Wed 22 Nov 2017 4:29PM

Astrobiologist (part-time) here. Some (most) of our astrobiological work involves looking at terrestrial analogues for Mars and determining whether/how life could be observed there. It frequently involves a lot of geology. Exoplanets is more open -- but I think a lot of the exoplanetary modelling papers, especially for hot Jupiter big gassy planets already goes to arxiv and will continue to self-select to there.

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Poll Created Thu 23 Nov 2017 9:57AM

Add "Planetary Science" to the taxonomy Closed Thu 30 Nov 2017 9:13PM

There is another thread discussing governance of the taxonomy. While that is being discussed, shall we trial the "Proposal" functionality (upper right on common threads)?

(from @tomnarock1's initial text)
We've received a request, via the OSF support email, to accept Planetary Science papers. Currently, the taxonomy that OSF uses doesn't have any keywords on Planetary Science. In theory, an author could submit a paper on the topic. However, the author couldn't tag it as such. Extending the taxonomy is fairly trivial. We just need to decide on the terms and where to place them in the existing hierarchy.

Should "Planetary Science" be added to the taxonomy, effectively changing "Earth Science" to "Earth & Planetary Science"?

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 90.0% 18 APR B DI SG DU LB HG EG CS DEI W JM LU RW ML DU VV D
Abstain 10.0% 2 EE FR
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 44 BC DH JF TN DV JF CJ SL A A CW AE GS PA J BS TS LM DV RER

20 of 64 people have participated (31%)

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Divyesh Varade Fri 29 Dec 2017 6:38AM

I do not agree with the addition of planetary sciences to EarthArxiv, This would rather generalize the server. If that is the case, then we might well have to consider other areas of research for addition in future. The point is it would reduce the significance of the server title 'EarthArxiv', and unless we are willing to change the title, we should abstain from this addition.

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Angelo Pio Rossi Fri 29 Dec 2017 2:16PM

It is true that planetary science is broad and it includes a very wide range of topics and disciplines (atmospheric, plasma, magnetospheric physics, etc.) . But papers dealing with "planetary geology", or - perhaps better - "planetary geoscience" would fit very well. Planetary geology papers sitting on ArXiv would be in fact better placed on EarthArXiv, instead...

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Aidan Karley Sun 31 Dec 2017 12:48AM

There was a plaint a couple of days ago on Twitter (sorry, didn't keep the link) of a Planetary Scientist somewhat teed-off at always being a bridesmaid at meetings, but never getting the attention they consider their work deserves. AGU - subject distributed over multiple sessions ; Geochemists (I think - that's how I parsed the acronym) there are relevant topics, but it's splashed around over several subdivisions.
I can understand where they're coming from.
How much of an issue would it be to support such a section? And as a subsidiary, how to frame the logical boundaries for a paper to be considered relevant to both "Earth Science" and "Planetary Science"?

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Tom Narock Tue 2 Jan 2018 2:01PM

@aidankarley, there's not much involved in supporting "Planetary Science". The Advisory Committee decided to pursue supporting it based on the results of the poll. The only issue in doing so is framing the boundaries. To keep things consistent, we are proposing that the sub-terms of "Planetary Science" exactly match the existing sub-terms of "Earth Science", which are
Biogeochemistry,
Cosmochemistry,
Geochemistry,
Geology,
Geomorphology,
Geophysics and Seismology,
Glaciology,
Hydrology,
Mineral Physics,
Paleobiology,
Paleontology,
Sedimentology,
Soil Science,
Stratigraphy,
Tectonics and Structure,
Volcanology.
We also have in place a quick and informal manual review of all preprint submissions. Any preprints submitted outside of this scope, e.g. planetary astrophysics, would be rejected. That's the current plan we'd like to pursue with the Center for Open Science, which hosts EarthArXiv.

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brandon Thu 4 Jan 2018 11:25AM

@All, apologies for the late reply.

From the public poll (the one I posted: https://www.loomio.org/p/e9ZV7cRq/add-planetary-science-to-the-taxonomy) it was clear that nearly everyone is in favor of adding Planetary Science, however, the poll specifically stated changing "Earth Science" to "Earth and Planetary Science" at the top level (well, top level of our domain).

I had a chat with @mattspitzer before the holiday break about this. We can request this edit, but this will not be backward compatible with any paper currently residing on the system, and it will cause some mismatch issues when searching across all *Xiv preprint servers on the main search page.

I, personally, think this is still the best option. However, as I don't really want to be the cause of a plethora of headaches for COS, my thinking is simply adding "Planetary Science" as a sub-term of "Earth Science". To me, this keeps with the spirit of the domain. I.e. a paper on Martian Tectonics is appropriate for EarthArXiv as it is applying Earth Science concepts to a planetary body. It's still a hack, but it makes more sense to me than having "Geology", "Geochemistry", etc. under "Planetary Science" as well as "Earth Science".

Futher, perhaps grouping terms like Geomorphology, Geophysics, etc. under (as sub-terms) Geology provides additional clarity.

@tomnarock1 are you able to share further insight into the splitting option you have described?

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Victor Venema Thu 4 Jan 2018 1:14PM

Would it be possible to keep on using the old taxonomy, but add tags for “Planetary Science” or “Earth Science”?

Having tags may anyway be nice, the current categories are very broad.

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Tom Narock Thu 4 Jan 2018 5:33PM

@brandon my proposed splitting option was to avoid the compatibility issues you mentioned. If we have "Earth and Planetary Sciences" while other preprint archives have just "Earth Sciences" then we will impact cross-archive searches. My personal preference is to have them distinct so that our "Earth Science" aligns with any other COS preprint system's "Earth Science". I'd rather add completely new categories than modify existing ones, which may impact future cross-archive compatibility. It also seems a bit cleaner to me to not put Planetary Science under Earth Science. For example, given a Martian geology paper, I prefer Planetary Science -> Geology over Earth Science -> Planetary Science -> Geology. Just my 2 cents. I'm happy to hear counter arguments. I don't think anything formal has been proposed to COS other than letting them know we want to add Planetary Science in some fashion.

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