Thu 25 Apr 2013 12:40AM

Equal Rights

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For discussion and proposals regarding rights.


Alex M (Coyo) Thu 25 Apr 2013 12:43AM

what kind of rights?


Poll Created Thu 25 Apr 2013 12:44AM

Recognize Individual, Human, Civil and Natural Rights Closed Sun 28 Apr 2013 12:46AM

by Alex M (Coyo) Wed 26 Apr 2017 8:17AM

failed to be specific enough.

In that order.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 80.0% 4 N AM( LN BL
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 20.0% 1 GJ
Undecided 0% 8 ZAG JO DC JY KSC ER SS LF

5 of 13 people have voted (38%)


Alex M (Coyo)
Thu 25 Apr 2013 12:45AM

Human and Civil rights are important, but the Individual must come before the State.

Natural rights are also somewhat important, but not as much as Human, Civil, or Individual rights.


Lecmus Novigma
Thu 25 Apr 2013 7:12PM

The living earth, and by extension all who dwell on it are precious. It's not to say that this is some bias because I'm alive. George Carlin but rather because many more will live after me. And comparatively many will not be human.


Fri 26 Apr 2013 1:16AM



Benjamin Lyon
Fri 26 Apr 2013 2:19AM

No brainier, but I want to get specific on what these are.


GI Jack
Sat 27 Apr 2013 4:01AM

This is far too general. I think every philosophy on earth would agree with that statement. However they all differ on define what exactly constitutes each.


Amanda Johnson Thu 25 Apr 2013 1:00AM

How are we defining each of these rights?


Alex M (Coyo) Thu 25 Apr 2013 5:13PM

we can decide the details later.


GI Jack Sat 27 Apr 2013 4:01AM

Yes, but this is far too general. I think every philosophy on earth would agree with that statement. However they all differ on define what exactly constitutes each.


Nick Sat 27 Apr 2013 4:04AM

Im going to agree with GI Jack without changing my vote. I think after this we should explore specifics and propose much more specific stuff.
This general issue is already in the core planks.


Alex M (Coyo) Sun 28 Apr 2013 6:27PM

eh, the wikipedia pages on each of those specify very specific topics and examples.


Alex M (Coyo) Sun 28 Apr 2013 6:40PM

There is a lot to cover regarding civil, human, animal or natural rights. It's not a simple thing.

We should discuss it. Also, the act of linking PETA and Ann Rynd is not to be interpreted as approval or recommendation of their policies.


Amanda Johnson Sun 28 Apr 2013 8:04PM

@nicholasdesalvio Would you just pop the definitions that you use in the description so that we know how to frame the conversation?


Alex M (Coyo) Mon 29 Apr 2013 3:08AM

Is Bored


Zacqary Adam Green Tue 30 Apr 2013 8:50PM

These days, a lot of human rights denial comes down to money. If you don't have enough money (or have bad credit) you're not allowed to get a place to live, you're denied access to transportation, to an Internet connection, to, well, food. These things aren't exactly luxuries anymore, they're essential. And poor people are put at a tremendous disadvantage.

(And oh, by the way, a disproportionate amount of poor people are black and brown, queer and trans, etc. With classism, our society has found a way to be racist and bigoted without "actually" being racist and bigoted.)

A lot of faux-libertarians defend this as "equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome." So! Crazy idea! What if we stopped seeing money as the outcome, and started recognizing it as the opportunity?

Because, seriously, how many people actually WANT lots of money? No. They want the stuff they can GET with lots of money. They want the freedom to do and have what they want. That's the outcome.

This is why Martin Luther King, near the end of his life, started calling for an unconditional basic income. As in, we literally just give everyone a minimum amount of money. Unconditionally.

On the Pirate front, doing that kind of thing would certainly make it easier to abolish intellectual property. Because now people would be free to make art and technology as much as they pleased, and not have to worry so much about whether they'd get a return on investment. You want to "promote the progress of science and the useful arts"? There ya go!

I'm not particularly concerned with how politically difficult that would be to achieve. We're the god damn Pirate Party; if we weren't radical it wouldn't make any sense.


Nick Wed 1 May 2013 8:01AM

@amandajohnson What definitions?


GI Jack Wed 19 Jun 2013 6:42AM

even worse than access to material goods, even those to survive, is lack of equality of dignity and human being status.

Even among people who have enough to get by, those who are "more successful", are given privledges and immunity from prosecution, and the right to abuse and harm those who are lower on the totem pole. This of course is unspoken.

But you know damn well, if any of us, even middle class, were walking around with 60k work of coccaine in a suitcase, there is not getting out of a distribution charge, and a lifetime in jail.

Charlie Sheen? He gets praised for it.