Deleting threads on Loomio

Nuke it from orbit, LOL.

Thanks for the perspective. This year was my first Nest and I had no idea lots of people left, let alone a specific demographic! That's quite suspicious indeed. Now I understand better your forking suggestions... is there any other fork that is already happening that you know of?

And even more important, those who left, where are they? What platform do they use? Have they managed to come together around a different project? I'm genuinely curious and I would want to connect with those people who dare to think differently and take a stand.

First, the teenagers left. They went to Instagram and snapchat I understand : other facebook companies. The remainers had kind of grown with it and thought it was the world. They'll likely stay until it's dead, unless the various regulatory and humanitarian efforts push them elsewhere. Then the big names left in person, fed up with the pointless trolling and backbiting and lack of growth market. They just left media reps behind to maintain an advertising facade.
I don't know where they went, since neither of these groups are people I want anything to do with. The people I want to talk to are mostly where they always were : mailing lists, forums, private groups.
Perhaps they didn't go anywhere, but they probably went somewhere that will do exactly the same thing because of volume - it's not inherently FB that's a cesspool but any such group that's sufficiently big to be profitable. FB is just the latest in a long succession of forgotten names, but the biggest ands most disrespectful so far. Its replacement will be worse, if it's a single organisation.

If you seen any social media site trying to be 'everything', avoid it and burn it with fire. It's just commercial lock-in as a marketing strategy, and you don't want to rely for your connections on something that relies on monetising you.

Small is beautiful.

Oh, I thought you meant that a specific demographic of Nest members left Facebook.

I'm quite aware of teenagers and facebook adoption. As for big names/corporations, they never really got on it and the platform is not designed for them, so who cares.

I see how your considerations are valid at very high level of abstraction - although I notice a pessimistic bias - but I don't see how they can drive any meaningful action towards change and improvement: everything is doomed, don't change anything.

Am I getting you wrong?

Your getting me slightly wrong. I'm not sure it's appropriate to labour my reasons for rejecting facebook here, but I'm happy to explain them at length to anyone who wants.

My objections are not to the people - especially nesters - who compose the facebook nest group. I don't even know who they are. My objection is to the platform itself, and by implication the requirement to join it in order to interact with people who are using it.

I do think you're wrong that names / corporations 'didn't get it'. They get it perfectly. It's you who is being fooled : you're the product facebook is selling to those corporates. You might think it's a harmless and free way to interact with groups of likeminded people . That is indeed how its promoted, but it's not its purpose. I don't have any argument with you doing that (though I think you should understand it before accepting it). I only have an argument with the idea that I should be forced to accept that in order to interact with a community that in principle rejects that very thing.

Hi Tom,
This isn’t the first time threads have been deleted. A few lively debates started by yourself were removed a little while back ( and I recall you saying that you had deleted them.)

So this does seem like a worthwhile thing to discuss.

I too had screenshots of one of those conversations (it was still open on my computer after being deleted). If I had the time or cared enough (it was down my list of priorities), I might have started a new thread and written a ‘context’ which reflected the conversation which others could edit if they didn’t want their views in there... one suggestion for a way forward in this case perhaps, although not an easy solution moving forward as having access to the thread after deletion was a chance encounter.

I agree it’s upsetting when a thread gets deleted as people have put their time and effort into responding to something (and this would lead me to assume that it is an issue of importance to them).

I wonder if you had considered that before deleting a thread that I had spent a day of my very busy life responding to? It’s hard to hear the very important message you are trying to get across as it feels a little hypocritical- I hope you can understand why I feel that way...

this is a very good point. i deleted that thread because you were explaining to me i was doing it wrong and ultimately i agreed with that. i don't feel like i deleted anyone else's points just our conversation. the lasting effect is there, i did learn from it, maybe, a little. i'm trying to learn today as well and you highlighting this has helped. please let me know if you feel there was something of value to others there that was lost, i would consent to you reposting it if you so wished or opening a new thread to discuss it in any way you wanted

Why was this also posted on facebook? That is not what that platform is for.

The admins there should delete it for being off topic. But then we'd get the typical paranoid ramblings of censorship and conspiracy from the usual characters.

Tom's original Facebook post signposted this discussion for those who might be interested. He invited people to get involved here. Seems a perfectly valid reason to post it on Facebook, whether you agree or disagree with his premise.

The different platforms have different purposes. Should we advertise every Loomio post on the facebook page for those who might be interested?