What policy should the Pirates have on preventing future outbreaks of Marmageddon? Should we propose a properly-funded Minstry of Marmite, or will that offend potential supporters who oppose Big Government?
Bruce Kingsbury Wed 5 Feb 2014 7:09AM
Sue votes for a Ministry of Marmite. We can use the extra funding that will be freed up when we downsize the GCSB.
Do we have a policy on downsizing the GCSB? I sure hope so, we really have far more intelligence agencies and spying capacity than a country the size of New Zealand should be able to justify.
Danyl Strype Wed 5 Feb 2014 4:38PM
Good point on the GCSB Bruce. Would you like to open a thread on that too in the Policy Group?
Andrew Reitemeyer Wed 5 Feb 2014 11:25PM
The banning of Vegemite should solve the problem; marmite would be the universal spread.
Poll Created Sat 8 Feb 2014 6:24PM
Marmite on toast must have hot sauce on it. Closed Tue 11 Feb 2014 7:09PM
The outcome is that proposals that go wildly outside of our core policy are not going to get adopted unless they merit it. So @davidpeterson frequent argument on other threads is a strawman.
When marmite has been spread on toast, it must have a teaspoon or more of Jalapeño sauce or Habernero sauce on top.
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|Undecided||0%||13||KT CM PA DU|
7 of 20 people have voted (35%)
Sun 9 Feb 2014 10:27PM
Obliging people to use a certain product or products in combination with Marmite violates our principles, such matters should be a personal choice :)
Tue 11 Feb 2014 6:41AM
Marmite is just a distraction lets go straight to the Chilli sauce.
Danyl Strype Sun 9 Feb 2014 10:30PM
Tommy, I put this up so we could have a bit of fun, and play around with the different ways Loomio can be used to discuss and find consensus on policy etc. Like the 'Take a Trip to the Moon' trial thread that we had when we first started the group. Any member who thinks this is a serious thread needs their head examined, and their sense of humour reinstalled.
Tommy Fergusson Sun 9 Feb 2014 11:36PM
Careful, there have been other proposals equally absurd that people were serious about, the difference isn't as obvious as you think.
Danyl Strype Mon 10 Feb 2014 12:38AM
In consensus decision-making, the correct use of a 'block' is to state that the proposal goes against the core principles of the group, or is so unacceptable you would leave the group if the proposal passed. For example, if someone put up a proposal for extension of copyright to life plus 500 years, it would be appropriate to block it. If a proposal is just silly, it's sufficient just to 'disagree', and say so.
[deactivated account] Mon 10 Feb 2014 11:23PM
Ok, it is now obvious that @davidpeterson objections about non-core policy adoption by 4 members isn't likely to see the adoption of nonsense.
David Peterson Tue 11 Feb 2014 3:51AM
My objection wasn't that nonsense policy would always be adapted, just that it could be (and also this was just one point from a broader argument).
[deactivated account] Thu 13 Feb 2014 6:43AM
Not really, this whole policy can be used to demonstrate that even with a dedicated selection of the party, the policies that go wildly out of track with our core just won't get adopted unless they are considered to have sufficient merit.
As I said, the results prove your argument is unlikely at the very least to happen.
Hubat McJuhes Sat 15 Feb 2014 10:18PM
@andrewmcpherson, your argument implies that, if a proposal way out of the spectrum of core issues would be adopted, it would be because it most likely would have sufficient merit. And your stance is that that would be fine.
I think that @davidpeterson would not necessarily oppose the first part, but the position that he expressed a number of times is that even though there might be merit in the non-core position, it is NOT fine to take the position for the PPNZ.
[deactivated account] Sun 16 Feb 2014 4:44AM
@hubatmcjuhes and @davidpeterson the whole idea of being able to adopt non-core policies that have merit in the eyes of our supporters is essentially the entire idea of the democratic process.
Admittedly although this not a serious thread, we can see that david's repeated fears that a temporary small majority of members can hijack our party is in fact unfounded.
As I appreciate that I have a particular budget proposal which most members have yet to appreciate how the numbers stack up, I already know just how hard it is to get adoption of policies based on merits.
I suggest that the only thing that will happen when we allow democratic adoption of policies is that we will find that members become more engaged in PPNZ, just as it has happened in PP Germany.
Craig Magee Sun 16 Feb 2014 4:54AM
A Marmite thread when we have what, less than 20 members, is proof Loomio won't be high-jacked or dictated to by a faction?
I'm surprised by how well it's currently working, but this is a small focus group. Just wait until there's over 500 members all squabbling with each other and demanding that all sorts of outlandish shit becomes party policy. If we had those sorts of numbers now Kim Dotcom wouldn't need the Internet Party, he could just have a brain-fart on twitter and the mob would make it policy.
Danyl Strype Mon 24 Feb 2014 12:51AM
This discussion is about Marmite policy (but really about giving new members a sandbox space for learning how Loomio works). Let's stick to the topic. Discussion about whether the Party should adopt "non-core" policy is ongoing here:
...and discussion about rules and processes for our use of Loomio to prevent abuse is ongoing here:
Poll Created Mon 24 Feb 2014 12:56AM
2 jars of Marmite Should be Required as Part of an Emergency Kit Closed Sat 8 Mar 2014 1:10AM
Currently Civil Defence publishes a list of crucial elements in an emergency-preparedness kit. We propose that 2 jars of marmite are added to this list, both to prevent B12 deficiency in emergency situations, and to ensure continued access to marmite in a future outbreak of marmageddon.
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3 of 19 people have voted (15%)
Tue 25 Feb 2014 12:03AM
Without some form of long life toast equivalent I feel this is a flawed proposal....
I for one am not happy promoting the consumption of Marmite using a spoon.
Wed 26 Feb 2014 10:37AM
The availability of toast is an issue, but not one that would be helped by a deficit of Marmite.
Craig Magee · Wed 5 Feb 2014 5:20AM
We should have two jars added to the recommended emergency kit list and leave it at that.