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Thu 10 May 2018 3:44PM

Vincient

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This thread is to discuss the desired outcome/boundaries that is wanted from the community. This includes the rights/abilities to come back to the farm ranging from doing business with the farm(like giving a tour), coming back as a guest, working with the community as a companion plant, or rejoining the community.

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Dani Thu 10 May 2018 4:27PM

At present I am uncomfortable with returning to the farm when Vincent is in a position of power such as a Pillar role, and would be checking the current roster when deciding on time at the farm.

I cannot say with certainty what circumstance would change that feeling in the future. I think having clear policy and team strength of skills for declining to engage in gossip or 'venting' about the actions of others would go a long way.

TS

Ticon Storay Thu 10 May 2018 5:16PM

I'm not sure that you know but vincient is currently off the farm, living at rasta steves. The discussion is about what roles/access he will have after his month break was over.

TS

Ticon Storay Thu 10 May 2018 5:21PM

Currently he was off a month and due to an uninvited visit there was a indirect request to extent that month from the time of his last visit. In order to do this based on current agreement we need consent and the needed communication. Neither of those thing happened and now we are in a grey area, planning to have him over next week for a resolution circle.

JR

Joshua Reed Thu 10 May 2018 6:15PM

Companion Plant (my understanding) - A member of the farm that is a close ally, that aids the farm on specific projects. They have and continue to help us out when they can. Just like companion plants in a guild they help build up mulch for the ground and nutrients for the surrounding environment. These members are able to offer advise in, however lack the ability to have a vote in decision making. Every tree has beneficial plants around to help nurture and feed to the ecosystem. Time frame on farm is specific for each project. Meals and Lodging covered.

Resolution Circle did happen a couple of times and ended with Vincent saying no to the Communities Decision for time apart. And then telling us all it is all our problems. Maybe it wasnt "Ticon Standard Resolution Circle" but to everyone on the farm at the time it did happen, several times.

I see Vincent as a Companion Plant. My one heavy interaction with him still have compassion and love for him. I think at the restorative circle is when length of time away from the farm is set. I think it all is case specific for time away. I think readdressing in the Core Meetings of a quick check in to setup a time or do it then to see where people are emotional to see about reintegrating to visits and staying on the farm. I see it beneficial for him staying at Rasta's and helping out there to tend to that space. I see growth in all sides and could be beneficial to address rejoining the Trunk program in the flow.

Boundaries for all, I think are our what we are saying our Community Living Agreements are. We are an alcohol free farm, respect the spaces, people and animals, leave no trace, being mindful of personal property and farm property, letting community know about arrival at earliest point possible(visit i'm open for decision i have no problem with visits after the agreement of distance has been met), open for a decision about how to deal with sheets/bedding/towels and that matter for companion plants, able to stay on the farm without causing heavy disharmony in communal settings, and as much love as he can give

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Babbs lovin Sat 2 Jun 2018 4:49PM

I had written out my thoughts and feelings a few weeks ago on this subject but never posted it. I've decided to erase it and start fresh since I do not feel the same as when I wrote it...

After the talk and release circle with Vincent yesterday at the beach I do not feel comfortable with him/his energy being a part of the farm.

I felt very disappointed at the end of the circle. I observed he is still not fully taking accountability or ownership for his actions, words and energy and how they may effect other people. When he was talking at certain times I felt very uneasy just in the manner he was expressing himself (such as tone of voice and body language).

Ticon, I will not tell you who you can or cannot do business with of course. But if I'm going to be a core member of Finca Morpho, I don't wish for the farm to do business with him. Such as giving tours, being a companion plant, etc...

JR

Joshua Reed Sat 2 Jun 2018 11:43PM

@ticonstoray if you are not going to be here next week, I don't think it would be best to have Vincent start his special project for you on Finca Morpho.

JR

Joshua Reed Mon 4 Jun 2018 1:12PM

At this point reflecting and seeing how I truly feel about my experiences with Vincent, I only see Vincent as an Employee of Ticon's and not a companion plant. Boundaries I have are that he only work on days Ticon is here and active, for half days and meals to be away from communal kitchen, will respect the requests given to him by any Core Member, and all the basic agreements. I also feel uncomfortable do the electricity maintenance at Rasta's with him living there.

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Ticon Storay Mon 4 Jun 2018 5:11PM

We can have more discussion about how this can work, but employees don't take any orders from any core members, they can work whenever I need them on the farm, they are also not subject to any agreements.

What is the desire/perception for not wanting him as a companion plant?

JR

Joshua Reed Mon 4 Jun 2018 7:47PM

If that is how you want your employees and anyone working for you do that then so be. You are going to do what you want. If you want him here then have him here. I will find somewhere else to go. Basically I have no trust for Vincent and don't want him on the farm at all. You are the only person that wants Vincent here on the farm.

Why do you want him on the farm so bad?

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Dani Mon 4 Jun 2018 11:17PM

Has Vincent been asked to state why he wants to be at the farm? Whether he understands why people don't trust him, whether he wants to work on those relationships in order to stay, what he thinks that will take and how he might go about it?

I wonder this and also, if he has someplace else he could go in order to develop other requested skills for a period of time before returning since others feel so strongly that they would issue an ultimatum such as Joshua has done here.

Having not been present at the circle I don't know what has been requested of him so far other than a willingness to sit in the circle and receive the feedback. From my own observations it has been the manipulation of people as 'favored' or 'unfavored' through sharing time and treats, as well as spreading gossip by venting that puts people in a position of taking sides (creating division instead of unity) that requires change.

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