Archiving Discussions

The card on Trello has 4 votes so it seems like there's support for this feature.
Use cases:
1) A user creates a dummy discussion as an example or for testing and then realises it's in their group history forever. The User or Group wants to get rid of this discussion and never see it again.
2) A user creates a discussion within a group, a consensus is reached, the decision is acted on and "completed". The Group then wants to put this discussion into a seperate area so that it can be looked at or referenced later but isn't in the list of what is currently being decided on.
Questions
How would we want this to work and what would it look like?
Will archived discussions still be viewable? Or should there be an option when archiving to keep it in history or not. (check box?)
If archived discussions are still viewable
Will archived discussions be locked? Eg/ Can someone still comment or create a proposal on an archived discussion?
Is it better to be able to dig up "dead" discussions or start a fresh new discussion referencing the old one?
GB Thu 30 Oct 2014 10:45AM
Sorry to up this discussion, but it looks like it never came to a conclusion (there were surely other priorities one year ago). The "archiving" subject started here, it continued here, and it was launched again here, and not sure I found all of them but this one seems to be the most advanced one. If you know a more appropriate thread about this, please let me know.
Talking about 'archives', we should not miss what it is: something that does not appears in front, but that everyone can consult if needed.
Moreover, an 'archived discussion' should be a closed discussion, in which we can't comment again, unless it is opened again, or a new one is opened.
Till now, my trick is to create a group called "ARCHIVES", and I put in discussions I don't want users to be bothered with anymore. I made it private so that users don't effectively see them and can't effectively comment them again, but my wish is that users could still read them, in a specific 'archived' tab, or at the bottom of other discussions.
This last point makes me come to a conclusion: as you may develop a 'pin up this discussion' feature to put discussions at the top with a flag "sticky", you may develop nearly the same 'archive this discussion' feature that would put discussions at the bottom with a flag "archived" (and deactivate comments).

Alanna Irving Thu 30 Oct 2014 8:46PM
Thank you @Grégoire Barrault - I agree! This feature is in the roadmap: https://trello.com/c/nvuXmHPB
I hope we can build it soon.
Poll Created Fri 31 Oct 2014 6:04PM
Regroup 'pin to the top' and 'archive' features Closed Fri 7 Nov 2014 11:09AM
3% of members voting is not enough. One week may be not enough to let people vote, or most of 182 people in this group are not active anymore, or they're not interested in this subject.
So I will put another proposition, the Chris Talkis' one, because it's also a good proposition to talk about, and this time I will set 2 month to discuss about it and vote.
We could regroup the 'pin discussion to top' feature:
https://trello.com/c/C4sC1xSS/118-admin-can-pin-discussion-to-top-of-group
and the 'close/archive discussion' feature:
https://trello.com/c/nvuXmHPB/27-close-archive-discussion
on Loomio Roadmap.
Archiving a discussion would be equal to: pin discussion to bottom and close comments. This way, sticky and archived discussion would be two sides of the same coin and could be developed together. Also I think this solution follows Loomio's principle: keep it simple :-)
Results
Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 66.7% | 4 |
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Abstain | 0.0% | 0 | ||
Disagree | 33.3% | 2 |
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Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
Undecided | 0% | 270 |
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6 of 276 people have participated (2%)

Joop Kiefte (LaPingvino)
Mon 3 Nov 2014 6:51PM
Seems an obvious way to do this.

Robert Guthrie
Thu 6 Nov 2014 7:03PM
I don't think that someone is going to think "I don't want this discussion, so I'll pin it to the bottom, now where is the "pin to bottom" button' Ouch!
Chris Taklis
Fri 7 Nov 2014 8:47AM
i have better idea for close/archive.
A category on right side which the discussions will go there and won't show on main page and will have [archived] in beginning. And will be easy to search for them.
Pierre-Yves Thu 6 Nov 2014 8:34PM
@robertguthrie in our groups, rename the title of a discussion to prefix it with [closed] when it's over or when the decision is implemented or refused.
"pin to the bottom" seems more convenient than renaming the title of the discussions.
The only thing that bothers me a little is that it hapen from time to time that someone add a comment to an old discussion after it's closed. If it remains pinned to the bottom, people might miss it (for dummies discussions, it is the intention but if we use it as a flag to indicate the discussion is closed it might be annoying)
GB Thu 6 Nov 2014 9:20PM
I should precise my idea: when you click the 'archive discussion' button, it should work nearly like the 'pin up' button, since the discussion get sticked to bottom instead of top, but moreover, the comments should be closed when using 'archive discussion'. And to keep being clear the button should be called 'archive', and not 'pin bottom'..

Robert Guthrie Thu 6 Nov 2014 10:02PM
I think I find the features, as described, clearer than what is being suggested. A button to close a discussoin, and a way to see closed discussions seems more direct and clear than "pin to bottom"
Poll Created Sat 8 Nov 2014 3:26PM
making an archived discussions page Closed Mon 1 Dec 2014 10:04PM
Here is a consensus. This proposition gathered more votes than previous one, with no disagree. People prefer to have dedicated buttons and page for archives than to have only a label.
As I said in my last comment: the concept of archiving takes a crucial part in the group management process itself. Having specific buttons and access would help to formalize this step in the process, and newcomers would understand instantly what is passed and what is present.
The proposition provides a detailed description of how archive process can be handled, which seems to please most of Loomio's beta testers.
Since this subject has been more discussed and developed, I expect its card in Trello's roadmap will go to 'soon improvement', but I don't know how this happens. Please let us know!
Archiving discussion should happen this way:
- in the discussion options (the cog-wheel menu), there is a button 'archive discussion';
- when you click this button, it asks for a confirmation (in case you miss-click);
- if you confirm, then comments and propositions become inactive, the title of the discussion is preceded by '[archived]', and the discussion does not appear anymore on the main page;
- on the right side of any group, there is a button 'archives' that let you access to the page where all archived discussions appears;
- you can read an archived discussion just like a normal one, the difference is that you can't comment or propose anymore;
- in the archived discussion options (the cog-wheel menu), instead of the 'archive discussion' button, there is a 'reopen discussion' button, that allows you to get back the discussion to the main page, with comments and propositions opened again;
- a discussion can't be archived when a proposition is currently running in it;
- only coordinators can archive and reopen discussions (later there could be another option in the permissions group menu).
People then will have choice, when talking again about a subject, to get back the discussion, or if it is too old, to open a new one and reference the old one, still accessible.
I think that this archive feature would be a great help for the Loomio Community group itself, then for Loomio's development, because there are already a lot of old thread that just get users lost. It's like a virtuous circle for Loomio's improvement.
Results
Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 95.7% | 22 |
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Abstain | 4.3% | 1 |
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Disagree | 0.0% | 0 | ||
Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
Undecided | 0% | 254 |
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23 of 277 people have participated (8%)
Chris Taklis
Sat 8 Nov 2014 3:29PM
exactly that it was what i thinking of archiving!!! It's the best description ever.

Alanna Irving
Sun 9 Nov 2014 7:40PM
seems like a good design to me

Ben Burton
Tue 11 Nov 2014 6:25PM
It's a simple fix and could be revised at a future date if more functionality were needed.

Sir Wumpus
Tue 11 Nov 2014 11:41PM
Great proposal, very well written. I would like to suggest that the person who originally opens a discussion should have permission to archive it later, however.
Sophie Jerram
Wed 12 Nov 2014 12:46AM
yes please

Steve Coffman
Wed 12 Nov 2014 4:10PM
- Like

Stacco Troncoso
Fri 21 Nov 2014 9:03AM
Very useful

Simon
Sun 23 Nov 2014 9:40PM
I've just been showing Loomio to a group and they found the number of discussions overwhelming. This proposal seems to cover everything well

Greg Cassel
Mon 24 Nov 2014 6:00AM
I'm pleased to support this simple and elegant means of reducing group clutter.
Jean-Daniel Cusin
Wed 26 Nov 2014 8:46PM
Group decision making is a complex business as it is - reducing the clutter by archiving now-irrelevant discussions will simplify the interface and improve the user ability to find and focus on what is important. This Proposal was well presented.
Deleted account
Fri 28 Nov 2014 9:08PM
As others have said, it will relieve the front screen clutter.

mix irving
Mon 1 Dec 2014 4:04AM
like. Also need to consider implications for search

Alanna Irving Sun 9 Nov 2014 7:39PM
Archiving has been in the backlog for a while... feel free to vote on it. https://trello.com/c/nvuXmHPB
I agree it's a good idea.

Mikey Mon 10 Nov 2014 7:43AM
i'm in favor of functionality found in GitHub issues, namely being able to:
- close discussions
- label discussions with arbitrary tags
- filter discussions (from within the page listing discussions) for open/closed status and any labels
i think what's being proposed here is very specific to one use case, where a more general solution might be better for more use cases.

Alanna Irving Tue 11 Nov 2014 12:04AM
@ahdinosaur I agree... most of that is in the roadmap backlog. We've intentionally not made any implementation decisions because we need to sit down and design a cohesive feature set to meet these needs. Some of the functionality will come in with the 1.0 alpha interface, but probably not all of it.
GB Wed 12 Nov 2014 10:28AM
Sorry for this false notification, I said I would set 2 months for voting, I may have miss-clicked; now it is corrected.

Alanna Irving Sat 15 Nov 2014 8:58PM
@Grégoire Barrault It would actually be better to set a much shorter closing date. Do we really need to keep this open for two months? This project moves so fast who knows what the focus will be two months from now. I would suggest only a week at maximum.
GB Sun 16 Nov 2014 11:23AM
@alanna you are right. Development evolves faster than that and 2 months is probably too much.
For the previous proposition I set one week, but it seems members hadn't time to check their Loomio's activity, at least. This time I set more to see if more people would vote. There are twice more voters till now, but it may be the result of a more tangible proposition. Or people really like this feature so they have a motivation to connect and vote, whereas sometimes they don't feel affected by what is proposed.
Also, as archive feature is a 'later' improvement on trello, we are not in a hurry, so I set 15 days from now instead of 2 months, and let's see what happen...
GB Sun 16 Nov 2014 1:09PM
@ahdinosaur , yes it's specific to one use, but all groups end up needing it as the number of discussions inevitably grows. This feature remains compatible with close, label, and filter ones. For example, the archive function would use the label 'archived', or the close function if it exists.
I assume that what is proposed here is a bit heavier than just filter, since the concept of archiving takes a crucial part in the group management process itself. Having specific buttons and access would help to formalize this step in the process, and newcomers would understand instantly what is passed and what is present.

Simon Sun 23 Nov 2014 9:44PM
A question, has there been any discussion about 'saving' Loomio group discussions when Loomio is being used by public sector types who need to comply with public records requirements, etc.?

Alanna Irving Wed 26 Nov 2014 10:23PM
@simon1 yes there has been discussion about the need for archiving. I think it will go along with a feature to save as a printable PDF format as well.

Simon Wed 26 Nov 2014 10:38PM
Thanks for responding to my question, @alanna. It's good to know that archiving for recordkeeping purposes is on the agenda.
Wael Al-Saad Sun 30 Nov 2014 5:52PM
Will search results look for content in achieved discussions ?

Alanna Irving Tue 2 Dec 2014 8:13PM
@Grégoire Barrault thanks for hosting this proposal and creating that nice outcome! This feature will definitely make it into the roadmap at some point. Right now, we're focused on finishing the transition to Loomio 1.0, but early next year we'll have a chance to look at new functionality users want.
Chris Taklis · Thu 22 Aug 2013 3:41PM
that would be very useful if we can somehow archive our discussions we don't need any more for discussion or decision making but we still need it as references or other ways of use.