[post - published] Belgium is a particracy, not a democracy. Why is it bad and how do we solve it?

Nice initiative! I'll take some time to read the pad. :bath_tone2:
Thanks

After the comment of Valérie, going to the congress of Democratie.nu, ... I hope to have a better flow now: http://piratepad.be/p/Democracy2

I could refer to Transparencia here also already. I would like to work out the latter paragraphs a bit tomorrow (with links, ... to Sarah, ....) and start translating.

Just fresh, Transparencia is now in Belgian dutch to :-)
https://transparencia.be/nl_BE

I am splitting the article in Why it is bad and a second article will talk about the possible solutions. The first part, translation in Dutch is done, French is "working on it".

I translated the first part article in French, so @hgo, it would be nice if you or anybody else could already have a look at it. https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Democracy2fr

I'll do that tomorrow! I had several meetings this week-end and couldn't work on it, and right now I must do my work for the uni. But tomorrow I'm free :) I'm not forgetting you, don't worry ;)

There was on the Drupal website an article written by Marouan about a specific episode of particracy : when parties decided some years ago to increase their own public fundings. If there was a possibility to dig out this article, it would be great.

I think the article should start with describing what particracy means. It's obvious for us, maybe not for every citizen though.

For the elements of a democracy, I wished we would keep the elements that were in our statutes, to remain coherent, but the basic text has taken it over and now it's more confuse to describe democracy. Problem is : we will have different definitions of democracy every time we write a different article.

At a time where I did not have access to the DNS I did a duplicate of the Drupal on a personnal domain name. So you can search :

http://drupal.gnunation.net/?q=search/node/marouan

I kept a record of this drupal archiving on a piratelab pad.

Merci @tierce ! Here is the article I mentionned : http://drupal.gnunation.net/?q=node/2062 (it's only in french, unfortunately).

It is an interesting article that shows kind of the same problems (maybe we could refer to it), but I don't see a different version of democracy.

I read the article yesterday evening, sorry for the delay.
Do you really want to publish it asap? Otherwise I would propose to further work on it, since at the moment, to be frank, to me it sounds "populistic/simplistic" 🤔
... But maybe I am the only one who gets this impression?

We don't need to be in a hurry, but I was more afraid of being too technical than being to simplistic. I would like to better understand why you feel it that way.

I am not sure exactly how I got this, probably it comes from the start with the examples on the particracy. I can try and work a bit on it on Monday I think.

Maybe we need to clearly state that we don't take stance for/against any of the named organisations, but against the mechanisms which chooses compromises of strategy instead of the good solution for the citizen. I will read it again myself after tomorrow to have a refreshed look at it.

Would be really cool @valeried

I started working on it but then I realised I would rewrite, which is nonsense ; it's' your text not mine ;-) I will just add a few comments in the pad

@valeried If I rework the "anecdotes" to explain them better, so they don't appear as "a bit of everything", is the rest of the text more or less ok?

I had not worked on the second part yet, sorry. If others are ok with it, don't wait for me.

I made the first part shorter, tried to apply the improvements you made in it and put a message on top to indicate that the original was in Dutch. I published the Dutch and French version and skipped English as I don't know anymore why we would waste our time with that.

https://nl.pirateparty.be/belgie-is-een-particratie-en-geen-democratie-waarom-is-dit-verkeerd-en-wat-zijn-de-oplossingen/

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