Engagement SubGroup Meeting Jan 21st 2021
This thread is for the early meetings of the subgroup. We will need individual threads when things get busier.
Adam Hardy Wed 20 Jan 2021 7:24PM
Hi @Elizabeth Lowe my understanding of what was said on checking participants are members:
We propose to email the Zoom link for the meeting to the forum membership email list.
I suspect you are concerned about advertising the forum meeting publicly on social media. This will only be an advert and doesn't enable people to join the meeting. I think you have seen the draft invitations on the other thread?
Elizabeth Lowe Wed 20 Jan 2021 6:52PM
At some point either in the engagement sub group or on Saturday we need to nail the process for checking participants are members and/or entitled to membership because they live in the Forum area. Sorry if I missed agreement on this last Saturday .
Dorothy Newton Wed 20 Jan 2021 6:52PM
I think it should be possible to have a short Engagement meeting and then join Edward and Phillip - do others agree? Please let Edward know so he can work out Zoom hosting with Adam. Thank you
Elizabeth Lowe Wed 20 Jan 2021 6:46PM
If Philip Crowther can be added to the Engagement sub group meeting that would be great as I'd like to hear what he has to say.
Francesco Mellino Wed 20 Jan 2021 6:00PM
The deadline is Friday (anytime). This should give me enough time to collate all slides before our 10am meeting on Saturday morning.
Dorothy Newton Wed 20 Jan 2021 5:05PM
Francesco - I think you kindly said that you'd make Powerpoint slides for the Forum meeting. What is the deadline for sending you the draft of the key points of our contributions so you can make the slides?
Dorothy Newton Wed 20 Jan 2021 4:22PM
Edward, everyone has not replied but it feels important to speak with him - so maybe you invite him on your Zoom and it sounds like there will be you, Susie and Susan at least...
I'd like to join you but am committed to Engagement so will do that unless everyone is comfortable to do both - Adam has set up the Engagement zoom already.D
Adam Hardy Wed 20 Jan 2021 3:50PM
I can't see any reason not to, except maybe time pressure but it doesn't sound like it will take long.
Edward Farleigh Wed 20 Jan 2021 3:40PM
Hi All,
Just to check, can we meet with Phillip Crowther of Haringey at 6.30, overlapping with the beginning of the Engagement meeting? I need to let him know in the next hour or so.
I posted this in the other chat so will presume to go ahead if I don't hear to the contrary. He can't do Saturday as I requested, or Friday night.
Poll Created Wed 20 Jan 2021 3:14PM
Agenda and Minutes for the Engagement Subgroup meeting Jan 21st 2021 Closed Thu 27 May 2021 9:22PM Disable voting
Agenda
Full Forum Meeting
discussion carry-over from steering group meeting https://www.loomio.org/p/E2gZ6qPF/agenda-and-minutes-for-the-january-11th-2021-steering-group-meeting
Relevant points:
clarify what sort of engagement we're looking for - LR
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LS to do social media blitz in week beforehand:
We’re preparing a Neighbourhood Plan for Finsbury Park and Stroud Green It will set out proposals for improving our area and guiding new development in and around Finsbury Park A Neighbourhood Plan is prepared by the community for the community We want to update everyone on how it will be prepared and how you can be involved
Outside speakers - Julie Pilchon - not contacted though. They might be good for content but they might overrun
Who says what - to be decided at planning and engagement meetings
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Dry-run / zoom rehearsal for Forum meeting
Sat 23rd 10:00am
Mon 25th 18:30am
LR to compose a message to send to councillors in a seperate email (previously Hugh's job)
FM & LS - put together social media invitation to meeting
Draft 1st Email to Members for Full Forum Meeting
see above
Draft 2nd Email to Members containing zoom link
see above
Zoom Subscription & Polls (not covered by our "pro" account)
AOB
Minutes
Attendees
Adam Hardy
Dorothy Newton
Elizabeth Lowe
Francesco Mellino
Lawrence Singha
Forum Boundary & Membership
EL: if we have people resident outside the boundary of the forum, they are not members and cannot take part in forum decisions.
DN: there are no important decisions to be made on the full forum agenda
LS: the sign-up process to become a member validates the person's postcode to ensure they are eligible to become full members - other people can become affiliate members.
ALL: what to put in the emails - Matt has emailed changes to the first.
LS: comments about new members & issue with Haringey local plan
DN: please will speaking at the forum meeting send a draft of their talk & slides Friday night / Sat morning for the Sat 10am dress rehearsal.
AH: Did Linda contact councilors about meeting?
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Linda Royles Mon 18 Jan 2021 8:45PM
Hi there. Sorry I didn't get to vote on this before the poll closed. Cllr Eldridge is a yes to coming to the mtg and saying a few words (said 1 min). See you at the dress rehearsal(s)
Adam Hardy Sun 17 Jan 2021 11:29PM
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Dorothy Newton Sun 17 Jan 2021 5:23PM
Thank you, Franceso, for your work on the meeting notices and to those who commented. As Lawrence has already sent something out, maybe we can work together on a reminder to be sent out after the Engagement meeting - the best day for gathering most respondees is Thursday 21st. Hope that's ok with everyone. D
Susan Lowenthal Sat 16 Jan 2021 4:45PM
I am pretty busy at work and have one or two other evening commitments.
Dorothy Newton Thu 14 Jan 2021 5:45PM
Thank you. Just to get the "dress rehearsal" dates clear, I think it is either, or both, Saturday 23rd and Monday 25th
Poll Created Thu 14 Jan 2021 5:45PM
Date for Engagement Meeting next week to do details for public forum meeting on 27th Closed Sat 16 Jan 2021 8:01PM
The people have spoken, the riot and sedition at Finsbury Park is not allowed due to lockdown, so I am fulfilling the democratic process and setting the Engagement meeting date and time.
Zoom link here to follow.
Please vote for your best days.
Put comments about the timing on this thread, otherwise let's assume 18:30 is good for everyone.
As discussed at the steering group meeting, we are aiming to do a dress rehearsal on Sat 22nd and Mon 24th (subject to confirmation).
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7 of 11 people have participated (63%)
Deleted account Fri 18 Dec 2020 2:38PM
Here is the link for Saturday's meeting:
Adam Hardy is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Engagement SubGroup 19th December
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Deleted account Tue 15 Dec 2020 6:12PM
After email consultation we have decided to change this month's meeting to Saturday 19th December at 11am via Zoom. I will send links closer to the time.
Deleted account Sat 12 Dec 2020 4:16PM
We had tentatively set Weds 16th Dec (6:30) to meet next: particularly to discuss and formulate draft vision/objectives/aims/ambitions et cetera. This is important and was discussed at Planning meeting today as well - so get drafting! I shall set uo meeting unless I hear squeals of dissent.
Deleted account Thu 10 Dec 2020 10:41AM
This from Sue (26th Nov)
This should be in Engagement but I’m not on that. There may be some engagement ideas here we haven’t pursued yet: https://my.landscapeinstitute.org/case-study/data-and-design-for-property-planning/1db78fe7-502e-eb11-bf6f-00224801c8ab
Deleted account Wed 18 Nov 2020 2:21PM
Prof Tewdwr-Jones gave a most interesting talk yesterday. Aspects of their Urban Rooms idea may well be of use to us and there is a lot of good advice. Here is the Utube link (thanks to Dorothy for this):
Lunch Hour Lectures: Urban Rooms: How Stories of Place Can Unlock Engagement and Research:
Deleted account Mon 16 Nov 2020 11:12AM
Engagement SubGroup will meet Weds 18th Nov at 6:30pm via Zoom
Here is the link (I am using Adam's paid-for subscription).
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Adam Hardy Thu 12 Nov 2020 5:51PM
I'm available that day.
Deleted account Thu 12 Nov 2020 4:47PM
We need to meet this month to keep up the momentum. How does Weds 18th November suit?
Deleted account Fri 30 Oct 2020 11:30AM
Possibly of interest is a UCL Lunch Hour Lecture 17th Nov on engagement.
Here is the summary:
Genuine engagement about how best to achieve liveable urban futures should be part of planning’s raison-d’etre but it has a chequered history of delivery. Exhibitions harnessing the communicative power of mixed media and linked to a progressive and responsive programme of focused discussion and debate remain relevant to community consultation and civic engagement. Terry Farrell’s concept of the ‘urban room’ to involve citizens in engaging with the past, present, and future of towns and cities offers a contemporary refreshment of the approach propounded by Patrick Geddes from the early 1900s. The possibilities of creating novel and compelling opportunities for civic discourse in this guise are explored though the Newcastle City Futures pop-up exhibition and events held in Newcastle upon Tyne, UK in 2014. Urban rooms carry lessons for imagining how universities, governments, and community groups may come together to critically and creatively forge future propositions for the urban condition.
About the Speaker
Professor Mark Tewdwr-Jones
Professor of Cities and Regions at Centre for Advanced Spatial Analysis, UCL
Mark is UCL Bartlett Professor of Cities and Regions at the Centre for Advanced Spatial Analysis. The author of 20 books, his specialist fields are urban and regional planning, future cities, public engagement and local democracy, digital planning, and urban history. He is a former UK government advisor on planning and housing issues and has been a visiting professor at Berkeley, Sydney, Guadalajara, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Pretoria, Dublin, and Nijmegen.
Here is part of the email:
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Deleted account Tue 13 Oct 2020 3:58PM
Attached are the notes on the meeting of 7th October.
Deleted account Wed 7 Oct 2020 2:45PM
Dear Lawrence,
Good idea to have an open zoom meeting although perhaps bi-monthly too often. Presume that we could publicise it via the social media? We can discuss it tonight.
Your item was on the agenda Monday as 9a. We didn’t explicitly go to it but there was lots said under 9 that I assumed covered it.
I will email Ricky to see if he can supply login details for facebook and twitter. You have the login for the gmail account- I think I sent it to you ages ago but can send again. Gmail get iffy about logins from different computers I recall.
We have had 4 replies to Haringey email. One from Chris who is interested in the future but is Islington. One from a lady who doesn’t recall joining! (I have copied you into my email to her). The others look promising. One is Robert Bevan a qualified planner who works as a heritage consultant/urban designer and the other is Matthew Spry who is a director of Litchfields - planning consultants.
We get a few other emails mostly routine newsletters or people trying to sell us web design. I look at it every day.
Hugh
Lawrence Singha Wed 7 Oct 2020 2:02PM
As you said "Concrete actions on social media & blog posting? I feel I have done less than I could have here." @Adam Hardy i am on the getting on top it moment so i have made an action plan to tackle it was in the Steering group about did say Hugh "could you add social media community/campaign & awareness of NF as 9a or 11a (just be 5-minute talk)"
it the working (work in progress) : (as we dont have much time on Zoom so thought i cover on here)
We do have Instagram (IG) to get business and anyone else. i'm raising the awareness as campaign to Finsbury Park and Stroud Green area. with IG i do know need needs pictures & photos from the blog or so i can manage the rest with hashtagging and it's already point to our website, signing has coming up and need weekly update from the email side to see if anyone has written to to hugh manning the email side of thing as i can see that.
side note: do want to see integration like we have twitter on website with IG
Still facing problem with connect IG & Mailchimp to our Facebook & Twitter into one social platform (campaign) because i still dont login details for many of the accounts that Ricky set up... to say least it been headache.
So what i can do im doing i am now take up social media campaign to level that should by now. getting local and business support of Neighbourhood while i am busy dealing with these.
(something to consider) i think we need some have a bi-monthly so meeting just as 'engagement' or 'introduction' zoom meeting where we explain who we are, what we doing and what's is plan and forum is about then followed up with 10 mins Q & A at end a meeting. if we have interests tho.
Adam Hardy Wed 7 Oct 2020 11:56AM
A couple of things for the agenda:
we could use the website as a voting platform using Wordpress voting plugins - prerequisite is getting all our members onto Wordpress as "subscribers"
Zoom account - at the subscription level I'm looking at (the 'pro' subscription) it would cater for 100 participants. That would be enough on-going? If attendee levels start shooting up (which is unlikely online with our local residents and businesses), we could always change.
Concrete actions on social media & blog posting? I feel I have done less than I could have here.
Deleted account Tue 6 Oct 2020 1:59PM
Engagement SubGroup will meet 6:30 on Weds 7th October via Zoom.
Here are the links-
Hugh White is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Engagement SubGroup
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In case of need we can overspill using this link
Hugh White is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Engagement Over-Run
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Adam Hardy Wed 23 Sep 2020 4:00PM
Oct 7th is fine for me.
Adam Hardy Sun 20 Sep 2020 1:25PM
Due to regular commitments on Tues & Thurs
Poll Created Fri 18 Sep 2020 2:45PM
Best days for Meetings Autumn 2020 Closed Mon 21 Sep 2020 2:03PM
Weds is preferred and equally balanced for other days. How about Weds 7th October
People's permanent commitments have changed. This poll is to find out which weekdays are free of permanent bookings. To be more specific let us look at the last week of the month. Meetings normally in the early evening (6:30pm) . For the avoidance of doubt Monday defines the last week so Monday 31st Sept defines that week as the last week of September
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3 of 3 people have participated (100%)
Deleted account Fri 18 Sep 2020 2:37PM
Dorothy can't make 23rd. As we are a small group it is best to have us all. Would Weds 7th Oct do???
Deleted account Tue 8 Sep 2020 2:00PM
Shall we meet again on 23rd September?? If there is no dissent I will set up Zoom meeting. Please let me know if not suitable in the next few days.
Deleted account Fri 21 Aug 2020 3:59PM
Here are draft notes from the 19th August Engagement SubGroup meeting: I have already emailed Dominic Jones but have had an out of office reply.
Deleted account Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:18AM
The Engagement SubGroup meets via Zoom on Wednesday 19th August at 6:30. I have also set up an overspill meeting in case of need. Here are the links - I will email out on Weds morning too:
Hugh White is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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In case of need here is the link to the overspill meeting:
Hugh White is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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Oliver Gladstone Wed 1 Jul 2020 5:41PM
Sorry can't make this one - I am still working
Deleted account Mon 29 Jun 2020 10:31AM
I have drafted an email to Mutual Aid Groups (it is on Loomio under the actions from 22 June thread). We can perhaps discuss it on Weds after coinsidering how one does karate on Zoom....
Adam Hardy Sat 27 Jun 2020 2:16PM
Great, thanks Hugh.
Unfortunately I'll only be able to attend the first 30 mins since I have a karate lesson. I can't really miss them if I want to keep my dream alive of getting a black belt before I die.
Deleted account Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:12PM
First meeting will be 1st July at 6:30pm via Zoom. Here is the link:
Hugh White is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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Linda Royles · Thu 21 Jan 2021 11:58AM
I agree re gatekeeping attendees to the mtg. I will give some thought to what steps to ensure that criteria for attendance is met before we send folks the link to the mtg.