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High Level of Police Pursuits Resulting in Death

SP seann paurini Public Seen by 24

How about an independent agency created specifically for investigating police car pursuits?

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Colin Davies Sun 17 Aug 2014 10:12PM

Me thinks all matters surrounding police investigations, should be independent. The current system gives the public no confidence, as it is like the police investigating themselves.

CE

Colin England Mon 18 Aug 2014 1:15AM

Yeah, we need something more than the present system which is little more than a whitewash for police misconduct.

MW

Marc Whinery Mon 18 Aug 2014 2:56AM

Any attempt to pull anyone over for any reason is a pursuit. When the criminal chooses to run, that isn't the fault of the police. If the policy is to never chase, as some have implied, then nobody should ever stop.

The deaths in pursuits are 100% caused by the person who chooses to illegally run, and drive carelessly/negligently when doing so. It seems absurd to me to punish the police for trying to enforce the laws they are charged with enforcing.

If we have no pursuits, how do police pull people over?

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seann paurini Mon 18 Aug 2014 3:54AM

Marc, I'm interested in a policy that protects public safety and the integrity of police.

The idea of a completely independent investigation team (e.g. employed, appointed or voted in members of the community - perhaps with legal expertson hand to advise) makes sense to me. The reason this is important is because many of the deaths could be avoided. There is evidence here and internationally that suggests that police are often just as responsible in some cases. It is better for people not to die no matter what - surely? There are approaches police can adopt e.g. such as taking a number plate and catching up with the person later. I have some figures, I'll produce them later tonight or tomorrow.

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Fred Look Mon 18 Aug 2014 3:55AM

@marcwhinery if it looks like a troll quacks like a troll and generally behaves like a troll, maby its a troll

MW

Marc Whinery Mon 18 Aug 2014 4:34AM

@fredlook Fred Looks in a mirror?

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Fred Look Mon 18 Aug 2014 5:09AM

yes there is a bit of troll in all of us. As far as police pursuits are concerned they are murder. It has to stop. We need an independent police complaints that actually is independent. disband the corrupt police association and imprison greg o'connor for promoting corruption

MW

Marc Whinery Mon 18 Aug 2014 5:38AM

@fredlook " As far as police pursuits are concerned they are murder."

Yet you blame the person trying to stop the murder, not the person that actively committed the act that killed.

Why?

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Fred Look Mon 18 Aug 2014 6:33AM

@marcwhinery your comments indicate that you recognise as do the police that pursuits cause deaths. that would make three parties to hold responsible

MW

Marc Whinery Mon 18 Aug 2014 9:56AM

@fredlook I recognize that bad driving causes deaths. I also indicated that holding cops responsible for the bad actions of those whose bad actions are the reason they came to attention is silly.

To do as you describe is to reward criminally unsafe drivers. "run from the cops, and you'll not be chased, jsut make sure to do it unsafely so the cops can't follow" Yea, that's a great message to send to criminals.

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Colin Davies Tue 19 Aug 2014 1:16AM

@fredlook @marcwhinery
I wonder if it would be easier to have an automatic coroners decision that running from the cops, is attempted suicide.

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Blair Thu 28 Aug 2014 10:38AM

Why not just use the Police Helicopter instead?.That way.Instead of using it to stalk people going about their lawful business (driving to their local gym) you could actually be 'hands-off' and locate all parties without multiple deaths.

My bad: Sadistic power & control wins.

MW

Marc Whinery Thu 28 Aug 2014 10:56AM

@blair By the logic of those posting here, if a police helicopter is in the area, and someone gets scared and kills someone else (driving erratically, stabbing someone, whatever), the police are responsible for acts they had no knowledge of, nor control over.

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Blair Fri 29 Aug 2014 9:50AM

@marcwhinery Such a pity then, that Police actually do hover their helicopter (One of at least six in N.Z.An AS355 'contracted', but flown by Police staff) 25 meters above a person going about their lawful business.Not once.But twice in the space of two weeks.

But that person didn't drive erratically, nor stab someone,or whatever?.

In fact: The only thing it did, is prove that humans are incredibly sadistic, as far as 'perverted abuse of power' is concerned.Unless your o.k with clearly distressed members of the general public?.

BTW: Ask Kim Dotcom about Police helicopters.Outside of this.You intrinsically know everything about nothing.

Keep up the smoke and mirrors.

:)

MW

Marc Whinery Fri 29 Aug 2014 8:20PM

@blair I tried to search for incidents like you describe. I found none. Care to point us to a cite?

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Colin England Fri 29 Aug 2014 9:28PM

I had a police helicopter circling me for close on half an hour one day. Apparently walking down the road with a bag is suspicious behaviour.

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Marc Whinery Fri 29 Aug 2014 10:08PM

@colinengland I had one circling me for over half an hour once. Turned out there was a shooting one street over. But if I hadn't seen that, or I was sufficiently paranoid, I could have believed they were tracking me.

And in Sydney once, I had one hover over me for hours. Turns out Oprah was at the Opera House, and the helicopter was hovering for a shot of her.

CE

Colin England Fri 29 Aug 2014 10:15PM

I wasn't at the Opera House nor was there a celebrity nearby. I was merely walking to the shop - a distance of just under 3km - and the police circled me for well over a kilometre.

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Blair Sat 30 Aug 2014 10:00AM

@marc whinery : Said incident will be reported to Media.It's Election Year.Carpe diem!.

It involves a Corrupt and Criminal New Zealand Government Department.A Corrupt and Criminal U.S Government Department.And a 'complicit' German Government Department.

In terms of 'shit hitting the fan'.It sits nicely between Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

Here's an insight: If you were a United States Government Coward?.Who would you enlist to do your dirty work for you?.

Would it be STASI using G10 Legislation, or would you just accept that Foreign Counterparts can be used,to clean your own dirty laundry on your behalf?.

Even when you explicitly know, that your own Supreme Law is
'not worth the price of admission'.

Outside of this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10908472

Ask the mother of this individual how it feels to bring about life,only for it to be shoved over a fence and then dragged across a paddock, even when his spinal cord has been severed?.

Police Vehicle Vs (Police Helicopter Vs Known Address).

You be the Judge.

P.S Do I lose sleep about my profile here.Not in a month of Sundays :)

CD

Colin Davies Wed 3 Sep 2014 6:29AM

Mr Legg, a disqualified driver with methamphetamine in his blood, was clocked doing 136km/h by police when he took off, abandoned his car and ran up a steep, wooded hill about 9pm on April 24 last year.
An officer and dog handler arrested him at the top of the hill.