Pirates and/or Independents ?
Jan Van Opstal
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What about local crews who use Pirate resources, with the intention not to produce a Piratelist for next elections but to participate on a independent list ?
HgO Tue 13 Sep 2016 12:55PM
@valeried is talking about a third option: pirates and independants builds a list altogether. In this case, the ordering of the list would be decided within the group (random/consensus/vote/...)
Jan Van Opstal Tue 13 Sep 2016 9:48PM
For me it looks like the second option and not as a third option... I do not see any difference.... Am I missing something ?
Valerie D. Wed 14 Sep 2016 8:10PM
yes, there is a difference, and that's why we would like to get some (short) time at the GA to explain :wink:
Damiens ROBERT Tue 13 Sep 2016 11:51PM
Well I'm not sure the term independent translates very well the idea we had for Louvain-la-Neuve by example ... The idea is to make a list of citizens of the town to have as much democracy as possible. We more and more think that saying : "Be empowered ! Delegate your power to us." is not coherent. That is why we are thinking about involving as much as possible the citizens themselves.
Pat Seynaeve Thu 15 Sep 2016 5:09PM
I'll speak for me personally, but I don't believe anymore in a particracy. But thats the system now and the only way to change it, is getting into..
But let's be realistic: When you look how other small party like the PVDA is organised, and still not elected, then you know that it is not so simple. The PVDA in Gent has in each neighbourhood a crew of at least 10 people who are active member. The pirates in Ghent have 1 crew of 10 for the whole region of Ghent.
Keep on dreaming'.
We only can survive when we collaborate with others.
l'Union fait la force.
Poll Created Fri 16 Sep 2016 8:55PM
I agree to add the item below to GA Oct 2016 agenda Closed Wed 21 Sep 2016 8:01PM
This point is proposed as an item for the GA of Oct 22nd. We will discuss the contents better on the coming lab of Sept. 24th in Mechelen.
"Alternative lists for upcoming local election: What some (sub)crews are working on".
- big max 45 minutes (including questions),
- divided in short presentations by each crew that has its "alternative in progress" to present. If your crew is one of those, mention it here when voting so that we can contact you.
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 100.0% | 8 |
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| Abstain | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Disagree | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 0% | 42 |
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8 of 50 people have participated (16%)
Valerie D. Fri 16 Sep 2016 9:00PM
Let's keep working here: I wrote a first draft in the form of a proposal. I hope that triggers feedback. @damiensrobert and @sarah40 , thanks for your feedback in particular :baby_bottle:
Veerle Gevaert Tue 20 Sep 2016 7:53PM
Désolé Valérie, j'ai essayé de réagir parce que je suis 'accord mais je n'arrivais pas à le faire, je ne comprends pas bien
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:02:35 +0000
Vincent Tue 20 Sep 2016 9:26PM
En haut à droite tu peux faire un choix parmi 4 boutons :)
Jan Van Opstal · Tue 13 Sep 2016 8:27AM
So there is a big difference of allowing independents on the Pirate list or Pirates who subscribe on a Independent's list. For sure it is more important to see Pirates elected.
But what about the positioning on the lists .... In the first case the pirates can make a list order, in the second case not. The same when it comes to conflicts of interest, rare cases of replacement of a elected candidate ... about public funding... ???
Personally I would prefer if every crew start first to try make a Pirate list. (let's do this together in a national campaign) and if there are not enough candidates, then make a decision to participate on a independent list. Having independents on the Pirate list seems great to me, as long the candidate is not opposed to liquid democracy.
Maybe mixed democracy is better description for liquid democracy?