Mon 3 Aug 2015 12:23PM

Participatory Budget Discussion

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Dear community, as a follow up to what was decided at the Summit in Salerno, here is our proposal for


We have planned one week of discussions and review of this proposal to verify that is make sense. Please, feel free to ask questions, give feedback and tell us if you feel OK with it.
Thank you very much: Etienne-Francesca-Julie-Manuela.

Our Goal :

Create the ideal conditions for each Connector to freely decide in service of OuiShare how to distribute and allocate his/her share of the participatory budget to help OuiShare and its members thrive in the next 6 months.

Requires :

Transparency, a good level of information, trust

Pilot set-up:

This is a first pilot of the participatory budget, decided at the Summit #7. As agreed there, the amount available for the participatory budgeting is 25 000€, to be allocated to the 70 connectors, so around 350 per connector and used in the next 6 months (till end of 2015).

We hope to repeat the exercise next year at the Summit #8 with next years budget and a V2 of this pilot.

Tokens: can be converted into Euros. 1 Token = 1 Euro

Expected Results:

*The projects that make sense to the community are funded
* Projects leaders feel backed by the community
* Connectors have good financial conditions to work

Our Choices:

*Give Connectors the freedom and responsibility to decide whether to distribute his/her tokens to many different projects and / or Connectors, or only a few.
*Do this on an open spreadsheet which offers transparency and consciousness of all the projects and their levels of funding at a given moment.
*Have 2 voting periods, during which you can change your vote until the final deadline, which should enable a liquid evolution of votes, and which, we hope, will stimulate project leaders to communicate for their projects as we are used to from Crowdfunding campaigns.
*We ask each Connector to decide whether they are open to being funded by other Connectors (let’s call this “to cash-in”), which means receiving tokens from others which they will transform into Euros by invoicing OuiShare. Each Connector also has the option to say they do not want to cash-in.
*We ask you to take leadership to propose projects that you think would benefit OuiShare in its development and for each project to describe its aim, impact and financial needs

Our Hope:

By choosing such an open framework we hope to raise collective awareness for our projects and their needs, and create a shared responsibility for how we distribute our budget.

Additionnal information :

We all should be aware that Connectors who would like to transform tokens into Euros need a billing capacity, which also means that they will be taxed.

Next steps & EDITED timeline :

16 - 2nd Septembre : Call for projects that want to apply for budget : Call for projects
3rd-8th Septembre : First Voting period
9th Septembre : Review after 2 weeks of the evolution of projects funding
10-14th Septembre : 2nd and final Voting Period
14th Septembre 12:00am : End of votes
15-16th Septembre : Finalisation / comments / critics
16th Septembre : Distribution - Allocation

You can find the Spreadhsheet here :
Spreadsheet for the Vote
It's a comment only mode for now, just to show you how it would work

This might not be perfect, it’s a permanent beta, a work in progress and we hope you can help us to make it a better tool for us to work collectively in a smooth way.

Looking forward to your feedback so we can launch the call for projects next week!


Lucía Hernández Tue 4 Aug 2015 9:13AM

Thanks guys, it will be a very interesting case study. :)


Maud Tue 4 Aug 2015 5:15PM

Thanks for this great work guys, I find it very clear and respectful of our initial intention.


Myriam Bouré Tue 4 Aug 2015 5:30PM

Hi everyone! Thanks a lot for this very detailed plan :-) That looks great!
I just have a question on one point:
"We ask each Connector to decide whether they are open to being funded by other Connectors, which means receiving tokens from others which they will transform into Euros by invoicing OuiShare. Each Connector also has the option to say they do not want to cash-in."
Why to offer that possibility? Why not, to be even more liquid, letting it open for anyone to give token to any another connector, and if the connector doesn't want to take the money for himself (if for example he feels he doesn't need it, or won't have time to contribute so much, or has no capacity to invoice and doesn't want to get one), (s)he can transfer those tokens to a project?
I'm just afraid about "self-censorship"...
We can also inspire from the "election without candidate". Or maybe what I understand about liquid democracy, you can give your vote to someone you trust to decide for you on a given topic. So why not, if for example I don't want to support any of the projects but I want to support someone, if this person receive for example too much tokens for what (s)he needs, (s)he can transfer tokens to projects (s)he believes are important?
It's just a thought... but I think all what you have done is awesome :-)


nelly Wed 5 Aug 2015 6:54AM

hello :-)
the plan sounds great! Thank you @etienne @Francesca @Julie @Manuela and @myriamboure raised an interesting point.
Though I guess the proposed timeline is not feasible; I want to add OuiXpertise Project but my brain is fried in this august heat, and everyone's taking their vacation at this time. I would suggest starting September 1st which will can lead to push the plan further until October 15.

Cheers everyone, lots of love and I miss y'all!


Khushboo Balwani Wed 5 Aug 2015 8:29AM

Thanks a lot for this work @etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 @Manuela. It is very clear.
I have the same concern as Nelly about the timeline. Many connectors are off and might not read this message. Also I feel not all the connectors are still on Loomio and since it is an important news an email or FB connector group reminder would be just perfect.

Another question, if some connectors don't participate on time in the voting due to any reason, does that mean tokens remain with them and it cannot be cashed-in later for a project or another connector?


Myriam Bouré Wed 5 Aug 2015 6:55PM

Good idea @khushboobalwani and @nelly1 to move the dates... I'm disconnecting from tomorrow and until the 17th August myself :-) Talk to you again end of august!


Francesca Fri 7 Aug 2015 1:20PM

@khushboobalwani we have 73 people on loomio, so that must almost be all the Connectors! Of course we can also make a facebook post to reach more people, but I have the impression that by now we actually have more people here than on Facebook. In any case, many announcements were made about loomio being the only tool used for such things from now on, so people should be informed....

As I think @etiennezoupic had mentioned in his doc, if a Connector does not distribute his tokens on time, they will simply go into the pot for the next cycle of particpatory budgeting.


Auli Kütt Sat 8 Aug 2015 8:26AM

Thank you all for this awesome work!

Just a remark: considering that we need (?) to report on the allocations' and projects' results in the next Summit, likely at the beginning of December, delaying the whole process further to 15 Oct means that we would have only about 6 weeks to work on the projects and reports, and there would be still 2 months from now that projects would not be able to move forward. Would this be reasonable?


Thomas Dönnebrink Sun 9 Aug 2015 7:13AM

Basic income vs.? participatory budgeting.
The original intention and starting point for the proposal made at OuiShare Summit #7 was to introduce features and processes into the dealing with money, decision making and running affairs within OuiShare that are less based on centralization, bureaucratisation, heteronomy, top-down and more on decentralization, openness/transparency, participation/self-determination, trust, bottom-up and thus more in line with our values and principles and walk-the-talk. In my original ideas I tried to frame this by introducing something that I called basic income, this has turned in the course of the discussion and as proposed here in loomeo as participatory budget. I am totally fine with this as I consider both elements: basic income and participatory budgeting as very important and something we should introduce, try out and experiment with. Whether to start with the first or the second or a mixture of both I consider not so important at this point and would trust the process and @etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 & @Manuela who have jumped in to take the lead on that. It will not be an easy task as it is entering new terrain, new thinking, happits and practices and - as we say in German - the devil is in the detail, but I am very happy that we are doing it, trying it and experimenting with it. So thanks again to the four of you and everybody participating (also agreeing with the comments concerning feasibility of @myriamboure & @khushboobalwani @nelly1 and @auli.)


Elena Giroli Mon 10 Aug 2015 11:34AM

Thanks! it's really interesting! agree on the timeline concern and communication approach that @khushboobalwani mentioned..this is an important step that everybody should be chased for participating in..we can use: loomio/FB/Slack/telegram/travel pigeons/ mind power/ visualisations etc...


Joachim Lohkamp Fri 14 Aug 2015 11:52AM

great preparation so far... thx everyone. I like to second Auli's concern about delays. Also I suggest to not nail too many details... it will be a learning process.
I took a look at the speed sheet... no entries yet!
@etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6


Lucía Hernández Fri 14 Aug 2015 12:19PM

@etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 Only comments are allowed in the spreadsheet. Is the timeline correct or will you change the dates? I would like to put the OSFest Barcelona project. Thanks!!!


Julie Fri 14 Aug 2015 5:56PM

Hello guys,

I not reactive, I am deep down in POC21 Setup.

About the timeline, we decide this one because we were already quite late in the planning and as some of you told if we delay again it wouldn't left much time to the funded projects to work until the next summit.

About the spreadsheet : I didn't find the time to take care of it :) Actually I thought I would be good to make the spreadsheet so that each connector can only edit his/her own column, not the others. This way it should avoid any mess up! To do that I need to enter every connector gmail email.



Joachim Lohkamp Fri 14 Aug 2015 6:00PM

Thx Julie, that’s cool!
But could you open the doc so connectors can edit?

It’s view only right now.

Much success for POC21 :)



Francesca Fri 14 Aug 2015 8:20PM

Since @etiennezoupic is leading this, I will let him get back on this to start the next steps. This spreadsheet was only an example for now, and the next step was to formally launch the call for projects with a form so you can provide information about it! In my opinion we should not delay the process by more than 1-2 weeks max.

I do have some bad news though unfortunately: due to an error in a spreadsheet calculation, as well as news I have received that some OS projects won't be able to give as many structure costs as originally planned (because budgets ended up being smaller), or cannot do so yet, the overall available budget will be smaller than we thought.

Therefore we will need to lower both the participatory as well as the global budget by about 10 K each :( , meaning we will have about 15 K available for the participatory budgeting.


Khushboo Balwani Sun 16 Aug 2015 1:15PM

Oh indeed bad news :(
Well, we need to move forward and agree not to delay the process a lot.
cc @etiennezoupic


[deactivated account] Sun 16 Aug 2015 6:01PM

Dear all,

Thanks for your feedback, comments and warnings.

As this is our first pilote, we will keep the agenda and get one more week dealy to get the call for project running until 2nd of septembre, which should bring more time for people in vacation to join, but still keep a tight schedule till mid septembre.

I also added a short post on OS Connectors on FB and will put another one when the call for project launches.

@myriamboure for your example of election without candidate and more freedom, we discussed this also and thought about it, it would add a bit more complexity since we would have to check at the end who has token that it doesn't want to cash-in etc... so, we considered this other option of saying yes/no to cash in and making people vote directly for projects or open Connectors.

The spreadsheet will be open once we have all the projects from the call in the batch.

Cheers, looking forward to run this through and see how it goes.


Simone Cicero Mon 17 Aug 2015 12:59PM

@etiennezoupic can you help me understand how people should propose a project to be funded? is there a Form somewhere?

@francesca should we consider official the reduction from 25 to 15K?
Also, (and maybe off topic here), do we plan to announce and share the updated global activities budget


Francesca Mon 17 Aug 2015 1:10PM

@simonecicero I'm still waiting for some last information from the poc team about their structure costs cc @benjamintincq till I can make a final statement on the amount, but it definitely should not be less than 15 K.

I've been working on the updated global budget proposal @simonecicero and will share soon.


[deactivated account] Mon 17 Aug 2015 3:19PM

Here is the link to apply : http://goo.gl/forms/WUHN8JkpM2


Albert Cañigueral Sun 6 Sep 2015 3:45PM

Super late but let me send my kudos to @etiennezoupic and all who lead this.

For future "iterations" I would also get inspired by Enspiral http://www.shareable.net/blog/enspiral-changing-the-way-social-entrepreneurs-do-business processes (I am sure @francesca is more familiar with this than myself). I might "deviate" from the Basic Income idea from @thomasdonnebrink in this case yet I consider it worth evaluating pros&cons (this might also be linked to the BackFeed experimentation)

Don't know how but we should also have accountability specially in the case of projects with specific results attached? that sounds harsh.. I 've no better idea so far

#OSLove being surrounded by some many talented people! :)


Bezdomny Sun 6 Sep 2015 8:29PM

@thomasdonnebrink Maybe I have misunderstood, but I thought at the summit it was stated that you could take these €350 euros and use them (or not) how you see fit. Now it seems that you can only use them for a ouishare project, either your own or to get others to donate their tokens to your projects or donate your tokens to someone else. Is this it or have I misunderstood?


Thomas Dönnebrink Mon 7 Sep 2015 6:39AM

@bezdomny, yes you are right, the proposal started out from this idea and angle. (Please see my comment above (29 days ago) - also in reference to @albertcanigueral preceding comment). There you find my take on basic income vs. participatory budget. Now we are in the period of experimenting, iterating etc. So trusting and thanking @etiennezoupic for taking the lead here.


Julie Mon 7 Sep 2015 7:58AM

@bezdomny @thomasdonnebrink @etiennezoupic you can still use this money as you like either for projects, yourself, someone else or not at all


Francesca Mon 7 Sep 2015 1:48PM

@albertcanigueral actually I've already been talking to the guys from Cobudget for some time now on how we could use their tool, and had a good meeting with them yesterday on how we could start testing this. There are definitely some big differences between the way Enspiral functions in terms of budgeting, because everyone with the right to distribute budget has to also bre putting money in to the budget (from their own venture), but Cobudget would definitely be applicable for us. I'll give an update with more info on this soon, after they helped me setup a first pilot group and we can start testing it.


Eugenio Battaglia Fri 11 Sep 2015 5:10PM

I'm fine with this initial experimentation but willing to design somethign that give more choice, accountability, leaness, openness and transparency. Of course it's related to backfeed experimentation : ^ )


[deactivated account] Sun 13 Sep 2015 4:47PM

The doc is open and ready for your votes. New timeline will come soon. SOrry for the delay...



David De Belleville Mon 14 Sep 2015 4:03PM

what happens to unallocated tokens at the end of the voting period?
a) allocated to the Core Team for reallocation
b) prorated on votes (up to min project budget? max project budget?)
c) a mix of both
d) some other idea


Bezdomny Thu 17 Sep 2015 12:30PM

@daviddebelleville I think the discussion at the summit stated that you can also "not use" your tokens, in which case they remain in the budget. right, @thomasdonnebrink ?


Julie Thu 17 Sep 2015 2:18PM

As much I remembered we said that the unused tokens will be reported for next budget


Thomas Dönnebrink Thu 17 Sep 2015 7:11PM

@daviddebelleville I guess given that we treat each other as free people that can't be forced to do anything, "not using" your tokens is of course also an option :). Nevertheless, same as with your right "not to vote", I would consider it better to make use of it and that we experiment with it. I assume the way we use it and who, where and how distributes the tokens might be interesting and give us new insights, therefore I'd say go use'm and let's see what happens :).


Bezdomny Thu 1 Oct 2015 8:20AM

So is this done? because we could use the money soon to buy equipment for the kitchen. We are also going to cook Fusion African & Syrian food with the new refugees and those with more experience.


[deactivated account] Thu 1 Oct 2015 8:53AM

is what done?