Parking, Vans and live in vehicles ****updated****
Sam B
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After speaking to site (24/01) we now believe there may be parking for up to 50 vehicles, especially if we have a parking volunteer making sure people squeeze in.
I also contacted a local visitor attraction (Mabie Farm Park) who have agreed to let us park up to 30 cars there for an undisclosed fee for the duration of the event if we need an overflow. The car park is a 1.5 mile walk from site, and a 2.5 mile drive. However, if we organise car share/pick ups from public transport etc, I imagine 50 vehicles should be enough to transport all members to site?
After much thought, I have a proposal-
Anyone wanting to bring a van/ live-in vehicle pays £20 for the guarantee of parking on site. Vans are larger than cars, will take up more space and potentially carry less members, meaning we may need to park cars in an overflow.
We try to fit as many cars as possible on site, using parking volunteers to squeeze people in.
If we need to use the overflow parking at MFP, we pay for this using the money from the parking permits from live-in vehicles.
If the overflow parking is not required, or the full amount of money collected from van permits is not needed, then the remaining money could be redistributed back to the people with vans.
I am happy to take the payment via PayPal friends and family with some kind of open record if people are happy to go with this idea? Any other suggestions welcome.
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Let’s talk parking and live in vehicles! We are waiting on more information from the venue about on site parking, but it seems that it may be quite limited. It sounds as if overflow parking may be available in a nearby lay-by and a forestry commission car park down the road. We still need to find out if that car park is pay and display. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the following?
how many people are hoping to bring a live in vehicle?
How many people have no other vehicle available?
How do you feel about prioritising on-site parking for those staying in live-in vehicles so everyone can be on site during the event, with cars using the overflow?
If this were the case and the car park is pay and display, potentially as a group we could arrange a daily shuttle to the car park to top up?
Do you think we should charge for a live in vehicle pass?
If so, how much do you think is a reasonable amount?
Should this go straight into pot two? Maybe be used in another way? (For example, covering possible parking fees of non-live in vehicles in the overspill car park)
Any ideas on how payment could be taken for this? We could use the same platform as the membership sales but this would incur Stripe fees.
Any other thoughts about parking at all?
(Please poke everyone you know who has a membership and encourage them to take part in these discussions as all decisions made here will affect us all.)
Fran Ellis Tue 18 Jan 2022 9:56AM
This is a good ideas (drop off points). I've emailed the site owner to ask for a contact for the forestry commission car park, to see if we can pay upfront for a few days.
Fran Ellis Mon 17 Jan 2022 10:04AM
I'm planning (hoping) to bring live-in vehicle for 2 humans
I think it's a good idea to use the forestry commission car park as overflow if we have to, only issue is that requires people to pay again every day. Obviously a shuttle could work here but it's a logistical activity we could do without. I wonder about getting in touch with the car park people and trying to pre-organise & pay something?
I don't have strong feelings about charging for live-in vehicle pass, but using this £££ to top-up POT 2 or pay for the overflow parking both sound like good ideas! Maybe £10-20?
If a parking crew form as a result of this AP, perhaps they could collect the cash via personal PayPal/bank transfers? If not the Stripe fee will be lower anyway because it is linked to the amount being paid...but would mean paying another £21 for Typeform for March
Will let you all know when I hear back from site
Richard North Mon 17 Jan 2022 1:56PM
I appreciate this is a slightly different scenario to others but I will be bringing tools, a fair amount, my lively-hood to help with the various build projects which will be going on over the first 2 days and like all builds, have to be completed in as shorter time span as possible to be enjoyed to it's fullest. I'm asking if there is acceptance that I could park my van on-site to help with daily loading and un-loading of these to speed up this process and for safety. (been broken into too many times)
I am happy to contribute to the live-in van pot for this special dispensation and also given the size of my van am happy to offer it as a vehicle for a shuttle service if needed.
Sam B Mon 17 Jan 2022 10:09PM
Just realised I haven’t actually contributed to this!
I will be coming in a live-in vehicle with one other person and have no other vehicle available.
I think we should prioritise all parking space on-site for live-in vehicles so that all members stay on site as much as possible for the duration of the burn.
I agree we should charge a live-in vehicle fee of (up to?) £20 and use this to cover any parking fees incurred by those none live-in vehicles parking off site.
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A daily parking top-up for the overflow car park is not ideal, I wonder if we can contact the forestry commission about a long duration parking ticket, or potentially rent a field from a local farmer for the weekend using the money from live in vehicles passes?
Sam Lee Tue 18 Jan 2022 12:09AM
I was thinking that this could be a place for a few vans (area in red). It's at the bottom end of the site by the white marque (as of now no specifies use, could be communal eating), The hot tub and sauna (left of marque) and yurt known as "couples yurt" (bottom right).
If there was a camp of vans, they could addopt the yurt as an adoptable space...? Just a thought.
Fran Ellis Tue 18 Jan 2022 12:06PM
Jean-claude van camp resurrection, @Sam B?
Fran Ellis Tue 18 Jan 2022 12:11PM
Parking questions I've sent to the site:
What is the absolute maximum number of spaces for van and/or car parking on site? As we have more humans than beds, we expect quite a lot of people to be bringing vans/live-in vehicles
Are there any dead-end roads on-site that we could use to increase van space?
We wonder if we could potentially park all cars off-site and use all parking space on-site for vans. Would this be ok with you?
If we park all cars off-site, is the Forestry Commission car park our best/only option? Do you have their contact details per chance, as we are wondering if we could pay upfront for the full duration, rather than having to return to pay again every day. We are also wondering if there are 'no overnight parking' signs there, how much it costs, and how far away it is?
Fran Ellis Tue 18 Jan 2022 5:20PM
Answers received from site:
Q. What is the absolute maximum number of spaces for van and/or car parking on site? As we have more humans than beds, we expect quite a lot of people to be bringing vans/live-in vehicles
A. Cars would be 32 in the parking area down here. Vans would depend on how many and what size they are
Q. Are there any dead-end roads on-site that we could use to increase van space?
A. Sorry no
Q. We wonder if we could potentially park all cars off-site and use all parking space on-stie for vans. Would this be ok with you?
A. That's fine
Q. If we park all cars off-site, is the Forestry Commission car park our best/only option?
A. It's the only option
Q. Do you have their contact details per chance, as we are wondering if we could pay upfront for the full duration, rather than having to return to pay again every day
A. Would prefer to speak to you on the phone over this issue
Q. We are also wondering if there are 'no overnight parking' signs there, how much it costs, and how far away it is?
A. Would have to go down and check the machine and signage - it's a mile away from here
Fran Ellis Tue 18 Jan 2022 5:21PM
Clarity on numbers is proving difficult. Perhaps an alternative way around this is following Sam B's suggestion in a meeting: determine the number of cars and vans we want to bring, and figuring out how/where they can go. Either way, this thread is throwing up a number of tasks we could do with creating a Crew to deal with!
I'll also arrange a call to discuss further, particularly the forestry commission stuff. @Sam Lee I seem to remember seeing a price of £3 p/day parking in forestry commission site in the spreadsheet - did you find that on your site visit?
Tara · Thu 13 Jan 2022 5:03PM
I will need to drive, but not in a live-in vehicle... Being able to drop off things first then parking elsewhere would be my preferred solution (as opposed to meeting a shuttle off-site, trying to cram everything onto it without forgetting anything that's been stuffed in various crevices). Would the overflow car park be within walking distance (ie, max a couple of miles)? Perhaps try to reach out to the owner of the car park to see if they might be able to do a multi-day deal?