Sun 10 Feb 2019 3:01PM

Giveths Curation DAO (Odyssey Plan)

JF Josh Fairhead Public Seen by 207

Vision: Giveth.io - Rewriting the story of human collaboration. Funding common causes and utilities through bonding curves, curating them via crowdsourcing (TCR's) and filling in the blanks with machine learning and simulation.

Strange attractors: Odyssey Hackathon - Scaling Ecosystems, Nature2.ooo and Inclusive Banking. We will participate and integrate.

Before that however, there are the following events:
* ETHDenver - Friday, February 15, 2019 - Monday, February 18, 2019
* ETHAustin - Friday, February 22, 2019 - Monday, February 25, 2019
* Blockchain Week Paris - Monday, March 4, 2019 - Monday, March 11, 2019
* Ethereum Magicians Paris - Monday, March 4, 2019 - Tuesday, March 5, 2019
* Council of Paris 2019 - Monday, March 4, 2019 - Monday, March 4, 2019
* EthCC Paris - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - Friday, March 8, 2019
* Odyssey - Friday, April 12, 2019 - Sunday, April 15, 2019

Why? We're building the commons. They're clearing obsticles and finding ways to enable us. This loop is made to be closed but the broader a network we have the better chance we have in achieving the common integration of everything!

~Roadmapish steps~
• Group alignment
• Organise a dial in reinforcements team

* Riot community, social coding as a larger group.

Other things?? Yes, but uncertain and evolving!
* Post in the Odyssey community


Josh Fairhead Tue 12 Feb 2019 3:43PM

Dear all, some of the Giveth team are headed to Eth Denver very shortly and so we are having a Hackathon sync meeting sometime tomorrow. If you'd like to join us in getting the meta-games rolling please get involved: https://doodle.com/poll/brcvc7227xdnymax


Hemdrup Tue 12 Feb 2019 5:07PM



Kay Wed 13 Feb 2019 6:03PM

I am definitely down! Registered a team for ETHParis already.


Josh Fairhead Wed 13 Feb 2019 7:16PM

W00t, FYI you and @robertovalenti share Holochain interests


Josh Fairhead Fri 15 Feb 2019 2:34PM

This has a nice section on open source task management which could be interesting for helping communities organise: “Verified Curation Markets & Graduating Token Bonding Curves” by Simon de la Rouviere https://link.medium.com/vNRgUvcvkU


Marko Prljic Wed 20 Feb 2019 6:10AM

Read the article and spotted the OSS example, really good.


beth mccarthy Wed 20 Feb 2019 2:20AM

hey hey any floating pts still waiting to be connected for eth paris? we're getting the application out in the next few days so would love to align w/ folks here!


Josh Fairhead Wed 20 Feb 2019 1:27PM

Hells yeah Beth, I dunno how much we've thought about it but @geleeroyale and @markoprljic @maximesuard might have be up for snowballing something! I'll probably be up for it as well once I book a flight and pay for hostels etc :D


beth mccarthy Wed 20 Feb 2019 5:40PM

sweet lmk if/when you want to discuss possibilities! i feel like ETH CC will raise some interesting questions and challenges around mechanism design etc. that positions our work in the shared consciousness so will be cool to follow that up with results at ETH Paris (the hackathon part).


Maxime Suard Wed 20 Feb 2019 7:16PM

Hey guys, I might not be at ETHCC but I'm down for ETH Paris :P Let's sync?


Josh Fairhead Wed 20 Feb 2019 8:05PM

We'll likely get on curating that Snowball very shortly! In the meanwhile please feel welcome to start collaborating and rounding up a crew :D


Marko Prljic Wed 20 Feb 2019 6:12AM

@geleeroyale Hackathon is after ETHCC or during that week? I'm in Paris from Sat till Fri, maybe we should catch up. Not sure if/how I can participate in hackathon but I'd love to be there.

@joshafairhead Will you be in Paris?


Kay Wed 20 Feb 2019 12:30PM

Hackathon is called ETHParis (part of ETHglobal) and takes place after ETHCC (8-10th March). You should come <3 ... if you don't want to participate in the hackathon, there is also a DGOV summit on the 8th


Marko Prljic Wed 20 Feb 2019 12:59PM

Argh, I'm leaving on 8th 😐


Josh Fairhead Wed 20 Feb 2019 1:08PM

I'm feeling that its something I should be at to stir pots but uncertain just yet if I'll be there :)


Poll Created Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:00PM

Odyssey Narrative for Teams 1, 2 & 3! Closed Fri 15 Mar 2019 10:01AM

We are gearing up for domination! The goal is to get the entire plan ready to go before we arrive, so we can just execute when we get there. The most obvious thing to nail down is the narrative... no need to be making up shit on the fly there.

We can even work on some of the more complicated pieces before we get there... but thats not what this loomio is about.

I propose we build the narrative around teams 1, 2 & 3 around Forests in Mexico... maybe we call it "Bosques Comunes de Mexico" These teams are all working together on 3 parts of the same project. This is almost 1 giant team.

Team 1 would work on the BCM token bonding curve.
Team 2 would build out the voting module and the trigger function needed for the Comunes to make funding decisions (using the BCM token).
Team 3 takes Giveth Milestones and figures out the staking module that adds them to the voting module and adds the functionality to the DApp to convert xDAI into the BCM token and then create a narrative around using alibre to convert xDAI into pesos in people's bank account.
Team 4 is going to the meta layer above, assuming there are a lot of commons and building something that can assess the various commons and fund the ones that are best. I think they will also make a bonding curve.
Team 5 is working on data attribution, they are part of the crew, but for the most part they will be doing their own thing that will be loosely connected.

SO to reiterate. The proposal is: Let's circle the Narrative for teams 1, 2 & 3 around "Bosques Comunes de Mexico" because its something that fits all three tracks and we can build a real narrative that can end up with impact...
What do you think :-D?


Results Option % of points Voters
Cool! 100% aligned! 80.0% 8 GG K P JF JE BM EW SC
I have a better idea! See my Comment! 10.0% 1 KI
Abstain 10.0% 1 MS
Sounds ok, but I'm holding out for a better option... 0.0% 0  
This is a bad idea... we need a new one 0.0% 0  

10 of 61 people have voted (16%)


Griff Green Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:01PM

Cool! 100% aligned!

The Alibre connection to solve the last mile i think will really nail home how real this can be, it takes it from a pie in the sky idea to a complete vision with all the pieces in place.


Josh Fairhead Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:36PM

Cool! 100% aligned!

The Alibre narrative is strong. Mexican rainforests integrates a lot of requirements (external/internal) and so simplifies things quite well. I like it!


Max Semenchuk Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:12AM


Sorry, could you pls give more context on why Mexico and reforestation. I've heard something around the fires, but would be great to know the actual narrative from the person who know most about it.


Kris is Wed 13 Mar 2019 7:00PM

I have a better idea! See my Comment!

woops only seeing this now -- wouldn't say better idea but we could also continue with the managing of the national parks in the US, that one already got quite some traction - it doesn't need to be one with real world impact for the hackathon itself, I think? But all fine with following the majority


Kay Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:25AM

Cool! 100% aligned!

As far as narrative goes - the most important part for me is that the Meta makes sense and is well thought out and presented. It is great to show an example campaign to walk people through, but the focus of narrative should be more on the system itself.


Jeff Emmett Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:38PM

Cool! 100% aligned!

I like the use case of Mexican Rainforests as a PoC and a concrete example to walk people through the system (especially for team 3 due to the track relevance), but I agree with Kay that since Odyssey is primarily a hackathon centered around #commonization, the Commons Stack should share some of the narrative for relevant tracks.


Poll Created Tue 19 Mar 2019 3:35PM

[FUN] Choose a logo for ODYSSEY Closed Fri 22 Mar 2019 3:01PM

It was suggested to have something special to recognize our team by.

Because we don't want to allocate too many ressources here and make it a distraction, we quickly settled on a carrot that symbolizes incentivization.

Going from that we derived two things:
- Carroty stuff to wear (orange security vest ;-) and green wool hat)
- A pre-selection of logos for you to vote on.

Pre-selection: https://i.imgur.com/VJePaJB.png


Results Option Rank % of points Points Mean
1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike 1 37.8% 34 3.8
4 - Hollow peel 2 25.6% 23 2.6
3 - Walking 3 23.3% 21 2.3
2 - Rocket 4 13.3% 12 1.3
Undecided 0% 0 0

9 of 60 people have voted (15%)


Josh Fairhead Tue 19 Mar 2019 6:14PM

1 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
2 - 2 - Rocket
3 - 3 - Walking
4 - 4 - Hollow peel

The walking carrot kinda hints at intrinsic motivation with its animist theme (self motivated carrot). Also nicely paradoxical by that standard too :p


Josh Fairhead Tue 19 Mar 2019 6:14PM

1 - 3 - Walking
2 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
3 - 2 - Rocket
4 - 4 - Hollow peel

The walking carrot kinda hints at intrinsic motivation with its animist theme (self motivated carrot). Also nicely paradoxical by that standard too :p


Kris is Tue 19 Mar 2019 9:02PM

1 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
2 - 4 - Hollow peel
3 - 2 - Rocket
4 - 3 - Walking

like the orange (=the netherlands' color, and most participants are actually dutch people, we are the exception.) But I miss a giveth link, which is the link :) My current favorite is just the giveth logo with the hands around that alan created, it expresses the commons, a more sustainable way of giving. Can come in orange too. Image here --> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgK1G7SPw9vehtQicFGsZ_dTr13uaw


Kay Tue 19 Mar 2019 11:10PM

1 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
2 - 4 - Hollow peel
3 - 3 - Walking
4 - 2 - Rocket

I really like the Ethereum Carrot!


Michael Shea Wed 20 Mar 2019 7:52AM

1 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
2 - 3 - Walking
3 - 4 - Hollow peel
4 - 2 - Rocket

I like the rocket, but it appears to be heading the wrong way.


Griff Green Wed 20 Mar 2019 4:47PM

1 - 1 - Ensnared Ethereumlike
2 - 3 - Walking
3 - 4 - Hollow peel
4 - 2 - Rocket

I like the string around the ethereum looking carrot... it reminds me of a top and balancing incentives is the name of the game!
I would love the rocket if it would face the other way around.


Poll Created Thu 21 Mar 2019 12:20PM

Splitting our Winnings! Closed Wed 27 Mar 2019 2:01PM

I propose we "socialize" the winnings and pay for some of the expenses from whatever money we win.

I think this will help us work together as a team and make sure we are incentivized to help each other at the hackathon :-D, In short, we are one big team, so let's make that real!

What expenses? Well I suggest:

1/2 the cost of plane/train/bridge tickets + €100 + the cost of the boat (minus any teams that opt out), this includes the costs for the 3 Jedis, Jeff, Kris and Josh.

Entire teams would opt-in or opt out. Not individuals.

I say 1/2 the cost of the round trip plane/train/bridge ticket, and not the full cost because we want to still incentivize people to find cheap tickets.

I say €100 because there are lots of random travel costs that will be incurred, including the other 1/2 of that ticket. And if you live close and don't have an expensive travel cost, good for you you should get a bonus!

And I can't wait to party on the boat ;-) but also don't really want to have to go collect the money from each one of you... that's real annoying. ;-)


If teams 1-4 opt in, but team 5 doesn't, the results are:

Team 1 wins €6k
Team 2 wins €2k
Team 3 wins €6k
Team 4 wins €4k

and the total cost of expenses is €4500

4500/18000 = 25%

Team 1 would pay €1500 to the group keeping €4500
Team 2 would pay €500 to the group keeping €1500
Team 3 would pay €1500 to the group keeping €4500
Team 4 would pay €1000 to the group keeping €3000
Team 5 and the judge would pay for their part of the boat.

Another less exciting example:

Team 1 wins €0.5k
Team 2 wins €0.5k
Team 3 wins €6k
Team 4 wins €1k

and the total cost of expenses is €6000

6000/8000 = 75%

Team 1 would pay €375 to the group keeping €125
Team 2 would pay €375 to the group keeping €125
Team 3 would pay €4500 to the group keeping €1500
Team 4 would pay €750 to the group keeping €250
Team 5 and the judge would pay for their part of the boat.

If god forbid our winnings don't cover the cost, we take off the €100 and do the math again. If it still doesn't cover the costs, we take off the plane tickets. If we don't even cover the boat... then i don't know what to say... i might cry.

Important to note: We have been told by Abe and the other organizers that every track does their own split for winnings but in every track, last place gets something.

What does each vote choice mean

Agree: I think its good and want my team to join under this circumstance, i might have an idea on how it can be better, and will suggest it in my comment (or not).

Disagree: I think the split needs to change and will comment how, I hope my team doesn't agree to this).

Abstain: Sounds like an ok split, but my preference is that my team does NOT opt in.

Block: This is a horrible idea, i think very strongly that it should be every team for itself.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 88.2% 15 KI GG SP K D WA JF JE MS CD D BM SC EW JE
Abstain 11.8% 2 RV BC
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  

17 of 65 people have voted (26%)


Jeff Emmett
Thu 21 Mar 2019 1:00PM

Also down with Kay's idea!


Thu 21 Mar 2019 1:03PM

I would even suggest to split all winnings among all participants and subtract the cost for the boat, would also make the calculation easier as we would not need to pay out the 100€ to everybody.


Griff Green
Thu 21 Mar 2019 8:46PM

yeah! i think this is perfect! ;-)


Will Abramson
Fri 22 Mar 2019 1:42PM

Sounds good


Josh Fairhead
Fri 22 Mar 2019 5:43PM

Beautifully agile proposal, Griff, hopefully we'll spare the tears :p. I'm down but then again I'm (now officially) Jedi and thus can't win anything. I'm happy to give my time regardless of the vote.


Roberto Valenti
Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:33PM

We would like to share the winnings as a group, but believe that there should also be a per-team incentive to make sure everyone wins their own track. eg: Every team could keep half of their own winnings while the other half goes into a common pot. After taking out common costs (except flights), anything left is split equally across teams. What do you think?


Jordan Ellis
Tue 26 Mar 2019 4:01PM

Sounds great!


Tue 26 Mar 2019 9:00PM

Yeah in general into this! But I would keep out the flights and let people come to a separate mutual agreement on those - because that is a large expense which I wouldn't feel good about getting someone else to subsidise - I'm flying to Europe anyway. It would be weird for other people already there to pay half my ticket.
Otherwise yeah I am into socialising winnings especially for common costs and then some.
I.e. Keep half, share half, pay the common costs (sans flights) and split what's left!


Josh Fairhead Fri 5 Apr 2019 9:58AM

Could potential Odyssey Devs please put their hands up ✋