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Naming!!! We have a lot of concepts to communicate... This is a thread to debate them :-D

Griff GreenGriff Green Thu 13 Dec 2018 6:35PMPublicSeen by 192

"Language Manifests Reality"
- Josh Fairhead

What's in a name... a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet right? Actually thats bull shit. If a "rose" was called "dead rotting rat", it would not smell as sweet. Just like how meals taste better when they have an artful presentation, concepts are better communicated when they are artfully and intentionally worded.

"Names are Spells"
- Danibelle

Please feel free to create Polls around naming concepts!

Griff Green

Dee Ay See or DACK

poll by Griff Green Closed Fri 21 Dec 2018 3:03AM

Decentralized Altruistic Community is quite the mouthful... its nice to use an acronym, but how do we say the name?

Results

ResultsOption% of pointsVoters
DAC is said: Dee Ay See759DaniKris isGriff GreenKayBowen SandersDaniel ConstantinDeleted accountLoieMichael Roberts
DAC is said: DACK253AndreasJosh FairheadJeff Emmett
Undecided31Jeff AnthonyYalda MousaviniaQuaziaAdam StallardAlon BukaiPol LanskiAasim aliAnujRJcleoEduardo Antuña DíezVojtěch ŠimetkaGraceJustjencryptowandererJujuscaRonaldGary SeddonLindsayjordi baylina

12 of 43 votes cast (27% participation)

Griff Green

Griff GreenFri 14 Dec 2018 3:21AM

DAC is said: Dee Ay See

I think it sounds sweeter and smoother, DACK sounds harsh

Andreas

AndreasFri 14 Dec 2018 9:19AM

DAC is said: DACK

Just like DAO is DAO!

Jeff Emmett

Jeff EmmettFri 14 Dec 2018 4:30PM

DAC is said: DACK

Simplicity is key when users are involved! 3 syllables compared to one makes "dack" the winner for me. Few people say "Dee Eh Oh" for DAO to my knowledge, and if that's what we're modeling the term after, I would say the convention to say it as one word follows through.

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadFri 14 Dec 2018 4:52PM

DAC is said: DACK

If we use abbreviation I'm for the shortest/easiest possible

Dani

DaniFri 14 Dec 2018 10:40PM

DAC is said: Dee Ay See

Jee Dee Ay Communitay

Deleted account

Deleted accountThu 20 Dec 2018 2:06AM

DAC is said: Dee Ay See

the other option sounds like duck

Loie

LoieThu 20 Dec 2018 11:16AM

DAC is said: Dee Ay See

in lazy moments i might say dack but all front facing interactions get D-A-C because of clarity/approachability. Bowen said it well.

Bowen Sanders

Bowen SandersFri 14 Dec 2018 8:27PM

I agree on pronouncing "DAO" because it had connotations beyond pronouncing an abbreviation. DAC on the other hand doesn't even sound nice. Everyone also knows what a DAO is at this point so you can shorten it that way, but DAC is not as recognized at this point. I think it would provoke more conversation and explanation if we say D-A-C...

Griff Green

Griff GreenThu 27 Dec 2018 5:49PM

Community meeting to town hall

Kay

KaySat 29 Dec 2018 11:29AM

I really like community meeting actually. town hall makes no sense for me as we are no town :) ... if you really like that we could name it town hall twice a year when we meet IRL for meetings - so I think we should keep town-hall in mind, but prefer community meeting for our weekly meeting

Josh Fairhead

How do we type DAI denominations in the wiki? (possibly elsewhere)

poll by Josh Fairhead Closed Sun 6 Jan 2019 8:02PM

Outcome
by Josh Fairhead Sun 6 Jan 2019 11:20PM

100 DAI (with space)

Non crypto people may need to understand what DAI is in the wiki. How do we wish to write DAI in the wiki so we are not too confusing?

Results

ResultsOption% of pointsVoters
Add your own444Griff GreenKayBowen SandersDon Adams
$100 DAI333Adam StallardJeff EmmettMichael Roberts
100DAI111Loie
100 DAI111Josh Fairhead
$100DAI00 
100DAI ($)00 
Undecided34DaniJeff AnthonyYalda MousaviniaKris isQuaziaAlon BukaiPol LanskiAasim aliAnujRJcleoEduardo Antuña DíezVojtěch ŠimetkaGraceJustjencryptowandererJujuscaRonaldGary SeddonLindsay

9 of 43 votes cast (20% participation)

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadWed 2 Jan 2019 8:41PM

Add your own

$100 DAI (looks best with a space)

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadWed 2 Jan 2019 8:42PM

$100 DAI

$100 DAI (looks best with a space)

Bowen Sanders

Bowen SandersWed 2 Jan 2019 8:59PM

Add your own

100 DAI - I agree it looks best with a space - but I think DAI Stablecoin is known to be a $1 / 1 DAI conversion. You can see https://medium.com/cryptolinks/maker-for-dummies-a-plain-english-explanation-of-the-dai-stablecoin-e4481d79b90 for more info. Even exchanges only use the coin name.

Don Adams

Don AdamsThu 3 Jan 2019 4:09AM

Add your own

$100 (in DAI tokens)

Adam Stallard

Adam StallardThu 3 Jan 2019 7:22AM

$100 DAI

If you want to make a clear link in people's minds that what is being sent is equivalent to dollars, then $100 DAI works fine. Crypto-savvy people will also know what you mean.

Griff Green

Griff GreenThu 3 Jan 2019 5:17PM

Add your own

100 DAI (with the space)

Kay

KayThu 3 Jan 2019 5:26PM

100DAI

There is a space between the amount and the denominater I hope =) ... i.e. 100 DAI

Kay

KayThu 3 Jan 2019 5:27PM

Add your own

There is a space between the amount and the denominater I hope =) ... i.e. 100 DAI

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadThu 3 Jan 2019 6:59PM

100 DAI

100 DAI (looks best with a space). Changed my vote as per meeting :)

Griff Green

Change Milestone to something else

poll by Griff Green Closed Fri 15 Feb 2019 3:01AM

The UX audit surfaced an important piece... that the term milestone is pigeonhole-ing the use of our platform for roadmap style usage... we should consider changing the name!

Pick your favorite, and add an option if you can think of any!

Results

ResultsOption% of pointsVoters
Milestone238DaniKris isPol LanskiLindsayLoieJosh FairheadJeff EmmettMichael Roberts
Action176Griff GreenKayRonaldLindsayLoieJosh Fairhead
Task114Pol LanskiDon AdamsJosh FairheadJeff Emmett
Action Item93Pol LanskiDon AdamsJosh Fairhead
Project62DaniLoie
Job62Adam StallardDon Adams
Mission62DaniLoie
Goal62DaniJosh Fairhead
Proposal31Griff Green
Bid31Loie
Bounty31Griff Green
Bucket31Griff Green
Payment31Pol Lanski
Initiative31Griff Green
Offer00 
Undecided30Jeff AnthonyYalda MousaviniaQuaziaAlon BukaiBowen SandersAasim aliAnujRJcleoEduardo Antuña DíezVojtěch ŠimetkaGraceJustjencryptowandererJujuscaGary Seddonjordi baylinaDaniel DeGreefJosh FairheadRon

14 of 44 votes cast (31% participation)

Griff Green

Griff GreenMon 4 Feb 2019 3:04PM

Proposal
Action
Action Item
Bounty
Bucket

Maybe we should broadly call them proposals, actions or buckets or whatever... but then name different types... Like right now we have Bounties, and soon we will have an option without reviewers, which might be best know as a Fund...

Loie

LoieMon 4 Feb 2019 3:10PM

Bid
Action
Milestone
Project
Mission

Bucket is the term used by Cobudget - in our system I think it makes more sense for campaigns than for milestones

Kris is

Kris isMon 4 Feb 2019 3:36PM

Milestone

Could we please not just change terms 'quick quick' in the DApp that are used in all articles both by us and others, on the wiki, many many many recorded talks and YouTube descriptions, not to mention in about 500 places in the dapp without it being part of a wider, written out strategy? I get the logic but can we do this at the appropriate time if needed, when revising the building blocks? If not I propose the initiator of the proposal (you 🙂) also makes sure this term is updated throughout

Jeff Emmett

Jeff EmmettMon 4 Feb 2019 5:08PM

Task

Maybe I'm getting too deep into this, but I think we need to define the nested structure of these levels of organization, rather than just defining one level. I would say the order that makes sense to me (in the context of charities who may want to use our platform) is:

Campaign >> Milestones >> Tasks

So a campaign could be to "Trash Hero Thailand"
One milestone within that campaign could be "Clean up Railay Beach"
And one task within that milestone could be "Organize materials for cleanup"

Jeff Emmett

Jeff EmmettMon 4 Feb 2019 5:09PM

Task
Milestone

Maybe I'm getting too deep into this, but I think we need to define the nested structure of these levels of organization, rather than just defining one level. I would say the order that makes sense to me (in the context of charities who may want to use our platform) is:

Campaign >> Milestones >> Tasks

So a campaign could be "Trash Hero Thailand"
One milestone within that campaign could be "Clean up Railay Beach"
And one task within that milestone could be "Organize materials for cleanup"

Don Adams

Don AdamsMon 4 Feb 2019 5:41PM

Task
Action Item
Job

"Action item" is the most accurate in my mind, but it doesn't really roll off the tongue. "Accomplishment" kind of captures this meaning but sounds a little presumptuous. "Deed" kind of captures it too but sounds funky for some reason, so I'd say "task" or "job" make the most sense to use

Adam Stallard

Adam StallardMon 4 Feb 2019 5:51PM

Job

I'm going with "Job" because only one person gets paid for each of these completed--i.e. they are individual. In practice, they could be already completed or a proposal for future work, so "proposal" doesn't always fit. "Job" can encompass several "tasks" which these can do.

Dani

DaniMon 4 Feb 2019 5:58PM

Milestone
Project
Goal
Mission

I agree with Jeff's breakdown - a task, action, deed or job is a sub-item within a Milestone. I like Milestone best, with Mission and Goal following in favor. Project works as a Campaign can have multiple projects.. A n equivalent (doesn't appear I can add options?) would be Activity or Initiative, which can be comprised of multiple actions/tasks.

Michael Roberts

Michael RobertsMon 4 Feb 2019 7:07PM

Milestone

I like Jeff and Dani's breakdown. That's the way I've often seen it in project management tools. I would not recommend we change this label in isolation however. For example if we changed the label from milestone to project then someone else might ask what is the difference between a project and a campaign. This also makes me wonder if Loomio is the best tool for these kinds of decisions. Is this binding or simply ideas for another circle.

Pol Lanski

Pol LanskiMon 4 Feb 2019 10:39PM

Task
Action Item
Payment
Milestone

Definitely not "Project" as that's sort of what a campaign is!

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadTue 5 Feb 2019 7:39AM

Action Item

Output item?

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadTue 5 Feb 2019 8:36AM

Action Item
Action
Task
Milestone
Goal

Output item?

Kay

KayWed 6 Feb 2019 2:17PM

Action

I think I prefer the "action focused" language and propose to call it "the work" or "work"

Griff Green

Griff GreenThu 14 Feb 2019 3:58AM

Proposal
Action
Bounty
Bucket
Initiative

Maybe we should broadly call them proposals, actions or buckets or whatever... but then name different types... Like right now we have Bounties, and soon we will have an option without reviewers, which might be best know as a Fund...

Loie

LoieWed 6 Feb 2019 2:08PM

for those of you that couldn't figure out how to add items - try after you vote the first time. For me this is always how it works, i have to vote once and then the add options button appears.

Griff Green

Changing "Support" to something else

poll by Griff Green Closed Fri 15 Feb 2019 4:02AM

What should we call it?
From the UX audit, the wording of support in this context is justifiably a poor choice...

https://github.com/Giveth/giveth-dapp/issues/664

Results

ResultsOption% of pointsVoters
How can we improve?244Kris isJeff EmmettMichael RobertsGustavo Segovia
Problem?183Griff GreenBowen SandersLoie
Create an Issue122Griff GreenKay
Having trouble?122LoieGustavo Segovia
Need help?122LoieGustavo Segovia
Tell us your problems61Griff Green
Issue?61Josh Fairhead
Help us get better!61Griff Green
Tech Support61Loie
Y do we Suck?00 
Undecided35DaniJeff AnthonyYalda MousaviniaQuaziaAdam StallardAlon BukaiPol LanskiAasim aliAnujRJcleoEduardo Antuña DíezVojtěch ŠimetkaGraceJustjencryptowandererJujuscaRonaldGary SeddonLindsay

9 of 44 votes cast (20% participation)

Josh Fairhead

Josh FairheadThu 7 Feb 2019 1:34PM

Issue?

"Issues/feedback". "Need help?"

Bowen Sanders

Bowen SandersThu 7 Feb 2019 3:28PM

Problem?

"Feedback" / "Have a Problem?"

Griff Green

Griff GreenThu 7 Feb 2019 4:00PM

Create an Issue
Tell us your problems
Problem?
Help us get better!

We should autofill the title and description too

Loie

LoieThu 14 Feb 2019 4:30PM

Problem?

It depends what our goal is with this button. General feedback? Tech support? It currently leads to an empty new issue. This won't work for most non-technical people; "What's github and what the heck do I do with these fields?? Oh well this clearly isn't for me"
I really like projects I've seen where when you click the support button or create a new issue at all, there is ghost text in the body of the issue that guides them thru what to write & attach.

Loie

LoieThu 14 Feb 2019 4:32PM

Problem?
Having trouble?
Need help?
Tech Support

It depends what our goal is with this button. General feedback? Tech support? It currently leads to an empty new issue. This won't work for most non-technical people; "What's github and what the heck do I do with these fields?? Oh well this clearly isn't for me"
I really like projects I've seen where when you click the support button or create a new issue at all, there is ghost text in the body of the issue that guides them thru what to write & attach.