Create loomio <iframe> and divide "in favor" and "against" arguments in a discussion
The way that Quoners.com divided arguments into "in favor" "Against" for each of the -more than one- options it is really useful.
Please see as an example, http://www.quoners.com/debate/How_many_years_do_you_think_should_pass_for_intellectual_property_rights_to_become_public_domain
Also take a look at their feature is really good stuff.
Could be a cool module for Loomio sometime in the future...
Hey Miguel! I'm really uncertain about splitting arguments for and against - once the polarised views have been stated, how do you get to the convergent resolution?
Hi @richarddbartlett ! Loomio does that better, because you can have a discussion without a voting (proposal), and that's where the consensus can be reached. Then, when the proposal arrives, it is because there are clearly two or more different points of view, then comes the need of making taking decisions (or participate) in an easy way.
I consider that making more people participate in a decision is even more important than making less people decide more reasonably for the rest, it is like "democratize the democracy", participation comes first, then comes informed and deliberative decisions, but the opposite rarely occurs.
I think different levels of implication needs to be addressed, you can not "force" people to read a very fruitful 1000 lines debate, surely there will be people that have the required level of implication to do it, but there aren't many. The less involved people, will enter loomio, read the heading of the discusion and then vote and go, then comes those that just read positive and negative "most voted" arguments and then decide, and then there will be people that: read everything-get additional information-express their opinion-wait for the feedback-think over the issue a couple of days, and then, vote (1 every 1000). It is just make life easy for those people without that level of implication, if not, they simply will not come back, let then start by voting and reading a couple of good arguments in favor and against a decision, then eventually, they will read more and participate more wisely, the worst opinion is the absence of an opinion.
If this was a plugin I can think of scenarios when I would have used it. Looks like a nice way of solving the 'choose one from many' decision.
I read two possible features in one topic. I only want to reply ont he idea. Please yes! iframe or some other way to embed (parts of) a discussion or vote in my own website.
I love the idea of people being able to embed Loomio in other sites, and from my uninformed position seems to be a sensible mechanism - think this definitely warrants some more discussion.
On the dividing positions that @miguelpradosrodrig brings up - I feel like the underlying thing is that it would be great to have some way of tagging/filtering comments, so that we can maintain a good signal to noise ratio in larger discussions/decisions. I love the idea of people being able to use #tags to sort their comments/position statements, and for people to be able to view discussions by tag. I think starting off with a really open flexible system without pre-defined tags could be a great beginning, so we can see if/how people actually use it.
One of the use-cases people might adopt is tagging comments as #support or #concern (which I think tends to be a more helpful frame than binary #for and #against in consensus-building).
Interested to hear @robertguthrie and @richarddbartlett 's thoughts too
Any plans to include some of Quoner's-not-in-Loomio features? I know that there is planned to go ahead with the labelling of options (others than yes, no, abstain and block) but using two columns to differentiate In Favor or Agains arguments seemed to be a really good one @richarddbartlett @benjaminknightloom