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Social.Coop is joining Meet.Coop

Matt Noyes PublicSeen by 198

Edited 12/23/2020

This thread was started to discuss whether or not to join Meet.Coop. https://org.meet.coop/ We discussed, decided yes, and now we need to make it happen.

(old links: Here is a pad for comparing options: https://pad.disroot.org/p/Social.Coop_Video_Call_Options

Notes from Sept 4th Meeting with Meet.Coop are here: https://cloud.owncube.com/s/GBPZYYDssykKJtn)

Giacomo

Perfect!

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On 31 mar 2022, 20:22, Matt Noyes (via Loomio) < notifications@loomio.org> ha scritto:

MN

Matt Noyes shared a check outcome.


Meet.Coop Board of Stewards ( https://www.loomio.org/p/btqWLw8f?stance_token=nqEjTXiYLNnu4JrPS8DhfzUV&amp;utm_campaign=poll_mailer&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=outcome_created )


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@Sam Whited @Giacomo and @Matt Noyes indicated interest. We are meeting to talk about it and will keep Social.Coop ( http://Social.Coop ) folks informed.


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Meet.Coop ( http://Meet.Coop ) is creating a Board of Stewards, a group of operational members and users and would like to have a Social.Coop ( http://Social.Coop ) member to participate. More details here: https://forum.meet.coop/t/board-of-stewards/923/2 If you are interested in learning more and possibly participating in the board, vote "yes" and we can schedule a call and, if multiple people want to do it, an election.

Chiuso
Tue 15 Mar

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Risultati

3 - Yes

0 - No

Risposte

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Steve Herrick:

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KC Terry:

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Danyl Strype:

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freescholar:

MN

Matt Noyes:

Have been interested in this and participating in some of the Meet.Coop ( http://Meet.Coop ) gatherings. Eager to see this multi-cooperative project succeed.

1 - yes

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Charles Stanhope:

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Boris Mann:

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Will Walker:

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Zee:

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Tobias Damm-Luhr @tobiasfdl:

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Robert Benjamin:

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Alice Kile:

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Carey Lin:

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qxp:

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Gabe:

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Jeff Piestrak:

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muninn:

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Brendan Miller:

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Jordan Bates:

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Bogdan:

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Mica Fisher:

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Neil - @neil@social.coop:

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emi do:

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Manuela Bosch:

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Dave V. ND9JR:

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Mark Simmonds (Co-op Culture & Platform 6):

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Ian Smith:

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Jon Irving:

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Christian Bundy:

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@caribou:

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Neville Park:

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Laurie Wayne:

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Naveen Roy Vikkram:

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JohnKuti:

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Josh Davis:

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Christine:

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Luke Opperman:

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Michael:

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Jordan Crane:

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Gabby Bray:

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Nick S:

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mike_hales:

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David Mynors:

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Tim McCormick (tmccomick @ gmail, twitter, etc):

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Stephanie Jo Kent:

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Shauna Gordon-McKeon:

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Chris Zumbrunn:

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Stacco Troncoso:

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Nathan Schneider:

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Ben Harris-Roxas:

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Blake Haswell:

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Devin McPherson:

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Mikelo:

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caseyg:

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Jake Beamish:

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Remy Rose Way:

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benjamin melançon:

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Jeremy Gross:

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Wooster:

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Natasha:

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Jeremy Rose:

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William Murphy:

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Clayton (clayton@social.coop):

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Christoffer Holst:

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jonny:

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Simon Carter:

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Stuart Croall:

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Ben Davies:

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Steve Bosserman:

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kawaiipunk:

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Co-op Cloud:

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Antoine-Frédéric Raquin:

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Yasuaki Kudo:

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irma lila:

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Alex R.:

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Joseph Andriano:

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Ed Summers:

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Will Murphy:

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Bob Haugen:

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Gyuri Lajos:

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Buddy:

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Thomas Schoffelen:

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Iwan Doherty:

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Mike Strode:

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Clayton Dewey:

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M. Page-Lieberman - @jotaemei@social.coop:

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holly jo Sparks:

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Ana Ulin:

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Felipe Schmidt Fonseca:

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Guil Maueler:

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Bradley:

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Lara:

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Darren:

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Matthew Cropp:

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Richard Hull:

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Malatesta S Hat - @matts:

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Leo Sammallahti:

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Derek Caelin:

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Antony McMullen:

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bengo:

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Michael Siepmann:

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Panayotis Antoniadis:

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L Murphy:

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Fannys:

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hamish campbell:

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alexc:

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Miloš:

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Alan (@alanz):

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Gil Scott Fitzgerald:

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Cam:

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Reed:

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Graham:

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Sean Svette:

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Nick Sellen:

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Keith:

@Literally@social.coop:

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Hakanto:

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Akshay:

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Michel Alexandre Salim:

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wty:

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Caitlin Waddick, @CaitlinWaddick@Social.Coop :

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Flancian:

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Nithin Coca @ncoca:

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Ned Zimmerman:

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Jonathan Bean:

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James Weir:

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Erik Moeller:

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Django:

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Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative):

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The Blockchain Socialist:

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Josef Davies-Coates:

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Michael Hueschen:

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carlosm2:

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Lynn Foster:

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Clark C. Evans:

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Kevin Flanagan:

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Petar:

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John:

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Benjamin Mako Hill:

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Ubuntourist:

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Aaron Wolf:

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Ashton McCormick:

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Robert Dickey:

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Noah:

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Michael Potter:

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Aaron Wagener:

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john gieryn:

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Jonas Benn:

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Alex Worrad-Andrews:

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Giacomo:

1 - yes

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Sam Whited:

1 - yes

Caitlin Waddick, FWG/OC

Maybe, put me on a “Wait Listen” for this committee. I do not have the ability to support this work right now. I would be willing to participate another year. If you would like to invite me to a meeting as a non voting observer or witness, after June 2022, … I can get clued in.

Matt Noyes
Yes

Have been interested in this and participating in some of the Meet.Coop gatherings. Eager to see this multi-cooperative project succeed.

Meet.Coop Board of Stewards

opt-in by Matt Noyes Closed Tue 15 Mar 2022 3:01PM

Outcome
by Matt Noyes

@Sam Whited @Giacomo and @Matt Noyes indicated interest. We are meeting to talk about it and will keep Social.Coop folks informed.

Meet.Coop is creating a Board of Stewards, a group of operational members and users and would like to have a Social.Coop member to participate. More details here: https://forum.meet.coop/t/board-of-stewards/923/2 If you are interested in learning more and possibly participating in the board, vote "yes" and we can schedule a call and, if multiple people want to do it, an election.

Results

Matt Noyes

Glad it worked! So far the policy is to treat it as a commons, so I suppose we can use it for non-social.coop business, but if there is income involved we should contribute more to Social.Coop. (So, when I cancel my Zoom account, which I use for language lessons among other things, I will increase my Social.Coop contribution.)

Nathan Schneider

I'm in! Can you remind me what the policy is? Can we use it for anything or just Social.coop business?

KC Terry

I'm looking forward to trying this out too. Thanks to everyone who helped set this up!

Derek Caelin

👋 I'd love to try out BBB. Very exciting.

mike_hales

Creating rooms, customised to needs (recording, moderation rights, etc) and shared as necessary with other members, is nice & easy 🙂 The thing that may need more focus and learning is the administration of user accounts. So the work that @David Mynors and @Matt Noyes are into - registration etc - is key. Taking a little time in this development loop will pay back later, I would say. Greenlight is not 100% helpful when it comes to account admin (but hacking an improved interface is some way down meet.coop's todo list).

Josh Davis

Speaking of testing, I created a room called "Test Room" and shared it with Emi, David, and you. That part seems pretty straight forward.

Matt Noyes

Okay -- we have the instance. I have set up the admin account and accounts for @Josh Davis @emi do @David Mynors @Akshay and myself. David is setting up the registration form for social.coop members who want BBB accounts. I think we can be flexible about creating accounts for people who ask right away, but we do need to set up and test the registration process for new members before we announce it. What do you think?

Matt Noyes

Hope these times work across our time zones, Tokyo to Berlin...

Social.Coop - Meet.Coop working group meeting

time poll by Matt Noyes Closed Sun 3 Jan 2021 7:02PM

Outcome
by Matt Noyes

It is important for Mike Hales to be there, I think, but the three best times are all iffy for him. So I went with the top vote-getter. Hope this works for you Mike, if not we can communicate before/after.

Meeting to organize and set up our Meet.Coop membership and BBB account. Agenda here: https://cloud.disroot.org/s/dA7CoNEcfBzqFKg

Results

Matt Noyes

Okay -- so @emi do @mike_hales @David Mynors @Josh Davis @Akshay and I are the team that will coordinate the joining of Meet.Coop and the set up of our Big Blue Button account. Seems like a good number and mix of people. Thanks for volunteering! Time/Date poll coming...

Matt Noyes

Status update: the Community Working Group Ops team is seeking to set up a working group to coordinate the process of joining Meet.Coop and providing the service to Social.Coop members. If you are interested in joining the circle, please reply here or DM me.

Matt Noyes

I think that is fine, though about half of the discussion will be about social.coop specifically.

Hakanto

In the agenda, I'm reading "participants in Loomio poll, plus open to others". Would it be possible for me to bring someone from Resonate Co-op who isn't a member of Social.coop? I can think of a few people who'd be interested in being at the meeing and getting a sense for what the process of joining Meet.coop could look like for Resonate. More as spectators than participants. I would want the meeting to stay focused on the relationship between Meet.coop and Social.coop, of course

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Nick Sellen
Yes

curious to participate (from user, organisational, and tech perspectives)

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Zee Spencer
No

I didn't realize I RSVPed yes in the first place?

RSVP Meeting with Meet.Coop Friday Sept 4

opt-in by Matt Noyes Closed Sat 5 Sep 2020 4:01PM

Can you attend the meeting with Oli and Graham from Meet.Coop?

https://ca.meet.coop/b/mik-a8z-njk

Thanks for agreeing to join this call! Please put the date in your calendars. Feel free to invite other Social.Coop members.

A note on the meeting's purposes/agenda is here: https://pad.disroot.org/p/Matt-Mike-Meet-plans. Matt Noyes of social.coop will facilitate with the help of Mike Hales.

09:00 MST (15:00 UTC; 00:00JST +1day)

Results

Hakanto

Thank you, I'll be there!

Matt Noyes

please do join the call

Hakanto

I'm pretty new here, but I'd love to participate as well! I'm interested in the idea as a social co-op feature. I'm also a volunteer at Resonate Co-op -- Meet.coop comes up in discussion here and there because we will need solutions other than Jitsi once we grow a bit. This would give me some useful info to bring back to Resonate about what that process could look like.

Derek Caelin

Both work for me.

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Bob Haugen

Either time is ok with me.

mike_hales

I have a commitment to cultivating meet.coop’s relationship with the work of significant activist communities - like social.coop.

Matt Noyes

Eager to have this conversation.

Meeting with Oli and Graham from Meet.Coop

time poll by Matt Noyes Closed Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:03AM

Outcome
by Matt Noyes

Thanks for agreeing to join this call! Please put the date in your calendars. Feel free to invite other Social.Coop members.

This is a date poll for members of Social.Coop to meet with members of Meet.Coop. A note on the meeting's purposes is here: https://pad.disroot.org/p/Matt-Mike-Meet-plans. Matt Noyes of social.coop will facilitate with the help of Mike Hales.

Results

Nick Sellen
Yes

I would actually put a "maybe" if it had been an option, as I can't commit to it, but I would be interested to participate if it fits ok...

mike_hales
No

I'm a NO vote bcos I'll be in the meeting as a member of meet.coop. By no means a conflict of interest, just an indication of who will be around the table in addition to votes here. I entered some further info about meet.coop in the pad. As this poll header says: yes, we very much want our user members in meet.coop to make an active contribution to development and/or operations.

Derek Caelin
Yes

Would love to be a part of this.

caseyg
Yes

Not sure if it's appropriate to join since I haven't been so active on social.coop in a while, but I'd be down to join/participate in this! Excited about this idea.

Matt Noyes
Yes

Still eager to explore this option.

Do you want to join in a Social.Coop - Meet.Coop meeting?

opt-in by Matt Noyes Closed Tue 28 Jul 2020 8:01PM

Outcome
by Matt Noyes

Okay, so I count six people interested in participating. I will confer with Mike Hales about setting up a meeting and get back to everyone who voted with possible dates. I think we should also post a notice on Social.Coop, asking people to DM if they are interested, in case there are others who would like to join the call.

After discussion on Loomio (https://www.loomio.org/d/Ci7uHcyG/should-social-coop-join-the-online-meeting-cooperative-) we agreed to seek a meeting with people involve in Meet.Coop to explore the possibilities of joining Meet.Coop.
We need a couple of people from Meet.Coop who can answer questions about how Social.Coop might join, what it would entail, the process, the responsibilities involved, etc. On the Social.Coop side (of course these is overlap), it would be good to have people who might be prepared to play an active role. After we get a sense who wants to participate we can do a time poll.

Results

Danyl Strype

A few thoughts:

@Jonathan Bean

> I see a deal where we pay and get credits

AFAIK the main expenses in running servers are not consumables like bandwidth, but staff time for setup and upkeep. So pay-per-use pricing isn't really necessary. Also, from a marketing POV, all-you-can-eat pricing is much simpler for prospective user/members to understand. As Clay Shirky pointed out back in 2000:

"... users want predictable and simple pricing ... In situations where there is real competition, providers are usually forced to drop 'pay as you go' schemes in response to user preference, because if they don't, anyone who can offer flat-rate pricing becomes the market leader."

Keep in mind we're competing with datafarms that charge $0 to most users.

@Matt Noyes

> Should we host a Jitsi instance? Or go in on hosting with others?

Given the above, it makes sense to work with another co-op who are already hosting conference servers. This allows social.coop to offer a robust service right away, while its techies can gain experience by helping out (ideally on production systems of a few of the conference software options). Down the track a bit, social.coop could decide to supply a conference service of it's own, and perhaps share it with whichever co-op service it partners with.

@Josef Davies-Coates

> if we do want to have a load of different apps with single sign-on I'd suggest we simply subscribe to Cloudron

There be dragons. Wouter would be able to confirm or correct, but I believe CommonsCloud started out using Cloudron but have since moved away from it. I've seen comments that suggest it isn't fully free code, which could be a reason.

freescholar
Consent

I just joined meet.coop's forums and am in the process of becoming a member. I am hosting a BBB server at http://communitybridge.com let me know if you need/want a room!

Yasuaki Kudo
Consent

I have been attending many meetings. I love everyone there!

As one of the founders of meet.coop and someone who doesn't use social.coop I think it would be appropriate for me to abstain! However I'd be happy to answer any questions and I'm keen to help make this happen.

Wooster
Abstain

I tried signing up and got an error verifying my email address. Seems like a nice idea but until the interface is made normie-proof I'm not going to be too excited about it.

Mica Fisher
Abstain

What's BBB? Otherwise, this looks good to me!

Steve Bosserman
Consent

To check for user-friendliness as an older person, I went through the process of signing up for a free personal space on BigBlueButton (BBB) and it went off without incident.

Graham
Consent

I understand that it is free and easy to host a call on their demo server (provided by the Digital Life Collective) at https://demo.meet.coop

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