Loomio
Tue 14 Jan 2020 12:31AM

Decide on the statutes principles for the asset-holding association

MQ Mauko Quiroga Public Seen by 8

Objective

Reach consensus on the principles behind the statutes.

The logic behind it would be better to set on stone the big principles of the association before writing the statues.

Open to discussion.

Links

List of shared assets

Project of statutes (FR)

Trello card

MS

Matti Schneider
Disagree
Wed 1 Apr 2020 1:33PM

This description is inconsistent:

  • Why isn't “the code” a resource that enables use and contribution?

  • Why isn't governance a resource that enables contribution?

  • Why ins't managing funds a resource that enables contribution?

I have a hard time suggesting an alternative phrasing as I'm not sure what the intention is.

For my part, I'd rather have the copyright of the code owned by this entity, along with governance enforcement

MBJ

Mahdi Ben Jelloul
Abstain
Sun 5 Apr 2020 3:22PM

What are the objective of preventing code (at least openfisca-core etc) to be a shared asset ?

MQ

Poll Created Thu 23 Jan 2020 4:58PM

Means Closed Wed 8 Apr 2020 10:03AM

Outcome
by Mauko Quiroga Wed 15 Apr 2020 2:24PM

We're going to propose a counter-proposition

  • The association has complete control over the shared assets

  • The association has no control whatsoever of anything else (source code, contribution governance...)

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 25.0% 1 MQ
Abstain 25.0% 1 LB
Disagree 50.0% 2 MS T
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

4 of 4 people have participated (100%)

LB

Laurent Bossavit
Abstain
Wed 18 Mar 2020 4:54PM

It seems redundant to state what an org has no control over…

T

Thomas
Disagree
Wed 18 Mar 2020 7:13PM

I don't understand the purpose of that section. What does it correspond to in a French association ? (https://www.associations.gouv.fr/1001-redaction-statuts-association.html)

MS

Matti Schneider
Disagree
Wed 1 Apr 2020 1:34PM

Who owns the code copyright then?

MQ

Poll Created Thu 23 Jan 2020 5:02PM

Admission Closed Wed 8 Apr 2020 10:03AM

Outcome
by Mauko Quiroga Thu 9 Apr 2020 1:32PM

There's no conclusive outcome

  • Must be sponsored by 2 members

  • No active member of the association is opposed to the person in question's membership

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 33.3% 2 MQ LB
Abstain 33.3% 2 MBJ T
Disagree 33.3% 2 MS SC
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

6 of 6 people have participated (100%)

T

Thomas
Abstain
Wed 18 Mar 2020 7:10PM

Sponsoring can limit the association ability to get recognised for « public good » (http://association1901.fr/droit-association-loi-1901/comment-reserver-adhesion-association-a-un-public-determine/). It may be better to explicit replace it with something objective (or more objective) such as « significantly contribute to OpenFisca in the recent past ».

MS

Matti Schneider
Disagree
Wed 1 Apr 2020 1:35PM

Letting any old member veto any new member sounds like a way to ensure nothing changes ever.

SC

Sandra Chakroun
Disagree
Wed 1 Apr 2020 10:26PM

Together, these two conditions might block the evolution of the structure. So, I would at least change one of them. I'm in favour of Thomas's proposition to replace the sponsoring with « contributed to OpenFisca ». I also agree with the risk of veto from previous members that wouldn't allow the group to evolve ; we could reduce the effect of one person alone. + The admission requires that the person joins on the basis of the principles that we are defining in this loomio.

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