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Wed 9 Nov 2022 4:04AM

Upgrade social.coop to mastodon 4.0?

SJ Scott Jenson Public Seen by 81

As a recent joiner to social.coop from mastodon.social, I was a bit surprised by the differences between the new 4.0 version of mastodon and the 3.5 version currently being used. Given that mastodon.social is running 4.0 right now, it's fairly well stress tested. Curious what the timeline is to move over to this new version? It has several big UX improvements that would be helpful to the community.

BTW, if I've posted incorrectly, or to the wrong group, please let me know

SJ

Scott Jenson Wed 16 Nov 2022 3:52PM

I agree with @Christina Bowen about the security updates. Upgrading to 4.0 has never been about being on the 'bleeding edge'. 4.0 is no longer a release candidate, it's 'official' now. (and being used by LOTS of instances) It's not a risky action. The security upgrades alone should be enough reason to do it.

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Jay Wed 16 Nov 2022 6:32PM

I believe that security issue is fixed in 3.5.5 as well, but don’t let me stop you from upgrading to 4

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Django Wed 16 Nov 2022 9:46PM

This security update should be done before the upgrade IMHO. Also, there is already a 4.0.2, however, one big concern I see with 4.x is the lack of a splash login/registration page, the new layout brings us to an /explore page, which shows the public timeline... This could be an issue WRT registration of new members...

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Django Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:45AM

I’m seeing many different threads about how confusing 4.x is, for different reasons, so aside from my previous mention, this one also stands out as wtf

1. Apparently if you click "Report" and then choose "I just don't like it" from the very limited menu of reasons for reporting, no report is actually generated. This is terrible and is going to lead to no end of frustration from users who don't understand why mods seem to be ignoring them. We already have the option to block someone without reporting, why add this pathway?

2. The only substantive reason among those limited options to click for why you're making a report is "Spam". Nothing at all about abuse. Terrible signal about priorities.

3. If I search for a username and the search is a little slow, while the UI is waiting it shows me a "You might be interested in" list of suggested follows. I dislike this anyway because algorithmic curation has done so much harm to every other social media site that's tried it, but to make things worse: every time I test it the list includes a specific user who I know has blocked me. They don't want to hear from me, why lead me to them?

https://weirder.earth/@eldang/109355565948465166

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Jay Thu 17 Nov 2022 1:58AM

That post from @[email protected] is incorrect. I checked on my own server running 4.0.2 and replied to their post with correct info. I don't know why they believe "I just don't like it" doesn't generate a report -- it in fact does, a very detailed one. https://social.coop/@jsit/109356643758721981

ZS

Zane Selvans Fri 18 Nov 2022 2:43PM

I don't have the skills to help with the actual upgrade, but would love to see it happen. I for one prefer the explore / public-local front page since it lets you see what is actually going on inside the instance before you sign up. I would also make use of the hashtag-follow feature.

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Jay Fri 18 Nov 2022 4:01PM

For sure, there are a lot of great enhancements that I'd love to see, plus I think being below 3.5 prevents media from different timelines from showing up correctly sometimes, so I'd love to see that get fixed.

There are supposed to be some significant performance improvements, too.

Not to mention the severe security concerns.

Honestly if this is still on 3.4 in December, I might start thinking more seriously about other instances.

SR

Sam Rossiter Fri 18 Nov 2022 4:06PM

Hi all, I'm a new user. I'd like to go to 4.02+ if possible. Below is a screenshot of reporting interface from the 4.02 instance I'm currently using.