Anyone who makes a good faith effort to find out if Loomio is still under development will find out that it is in minutes. And if that fails, you can just ask. Chris got four informative answers within about three hours.

ok you're right cool
so don't change a thing

This sounds like a problem that goes for all decentralized projects, it's hard for the outside world to see what is happening inside.

It's always a understandable problem for the people "inside" the group to write updates that are suitable for the outside. I agree with Chris that github commits aren't really accessible for non developers.
(I am a developer and watch multiple repositories, but that basically means I get updates on issues, which isn't that insightful)

Let's think about this constructively.
There is a blog, there is also the more frequently updated roadmap and twitter account. I feel those are all more accessible for non-developers.
Could we make those more visible on the loomio website?
When you visit www.loomio.org there is a small link, on the bottom to the blog.
There are no links to the roadmap or twitter account.
Maybe these could be added?
Maybe a recent twitter posts widget could be added to the blog?
I don't really understand why the posts in "updates-from-loomio-hq" aren't posted on the blog?

Maybe there are widgets from Github and Trello that could make the activity visible for a broader audience?
Github's pulse and graphs pages for example seem to be made to show activity.

Actually, weirdly enough I couldn't find any github or Trello activity widgets... Please help me find them.

@peteruithoven Here are some Github thingamajigs

• Codeclimate
• Gitter Dev Chat
• Waffle is trello for github

This is something we see quite often at Chakra too. We are always working hard behind the scenes, and talking on Loomio, mailing lists, IRC, etc - but the users don't see this, get antsy, and start asking if anything is happening. As a dev, imo it's much more important to get work done than to spend valuable time reporting what's already been accomplished, and it's sometimes frustrating to reply to... "indelicately" worded user posts. :)

All that said, I would be interested in hearing ways to make the existing information on development progress more accessible to non-technical users, because this seems like a common problem.

And this might be useful:

• https://github.com/openminds/trello-changelog

But this is probably more @robertguthrie style... ;)

• https://github.com/jeremytregunna/ruby-trello

For what it's worth, i didn't find your initial post offensive at all @chris, yet i have nothing invested in it other than holding space if Occupy is going to use loomio again. I just jump in and check the temperature here every now and again. Cheers everyone.

Hey I closed the proposal because it wasn't proposing anything.

I'm glad this conversation has moved onto "how can we make it easy for people to keep up to date with Loomio progress".

It's a problem I'm really interested in solving.