GMOs and DNA changing viruses and bacteria

@joshrich re bees dying: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bees+dying&t=hq&nvexp=b&ia=news

@bruceking I'm not saying anything about the quality of such a thing just saying we have been doing it for a while.

@simonjackson Yeah I am aware of the decline of bees but fail to see its relevance to GM tech?

@taneharre Yeah I'm not saying GMOs are an end all to save the planet, but its a really useful tool. I also realize there are problems with agriculture which is what you're getting at, this is not a problem with the tech but more of our farming practices.

You imply that using GMOs is a negative thing? What do you base this off?

I am not implying that GM is a negative thing insomuch as saying the problem people are trying to solve with it is actually the result of other things.

As an analogy, there are heart surgeons. Very highly qualified. Extremely good at their job. And yes they can fix heart problems, but that isn't actually the cause of the problem in most cases. Generally the cause is bad diet.

I think we should identify causes as well as fix problems but that fixing causes is a better and long term solution.

I am not saying we shouldn't have heart surgeons. I am saying that they should fix when things do go wrong as opposed to fixing everything that does go wrong.

I think you meant to tag me :P One word: Monsanto

Well sure, but thats unrelated to the legality of the tech itself.

I would say the legality of something is a moral decision. Not a tech decision.

@suziedawson That still doesn't explain anything?

@taneharre Well isn't it both, if you don't understand the tech how can you make a fully justified position on it?

Preferably you should have both. But law (legality) doesn't deal directly with reality, it deals with the human societal constructs surrounding it. That is why I think legality is a moral position.

We can fundamentally alter organisms and we should. We need as much knowledge as possible. But, like in all things, there should be restrictions and legal restrictions tend to be of a moral nature due to politicians making the decisions.

I don't know you if can make fully justified positions on anything especially in today's climate of interest groups. We just do the best we can.

Monsanto are behind both the GM and the pesticides AND the resulting mass bee die off, which is why their name is dirt (pun unintended) worldwide and there are mass movements, lawsuits, and activism efforts to out their poor practices

Oh, and they're also responsible for Roundup, which is now proven to be cancer-causing/carcinogenic

I'm aware of what Monsanto does. I don't see how they're linked to the bees dying though. Or how this relates back to the tech?

Also it doesn't, if you're referring to the WHO report on Roundup: It got redacted pretty quickly because it had a number of holes in it and overall pretty shitty. If you're willing to sit through 20~ mins this vid goes through the reports errors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkxS7BHjHVk

Do you have some links to things you were referring?