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Tue 6 Nov 2018 1:00AM

Deep Adaptation

PM Patricia Morgan Public Seen by 239

I have recently heard about Deep Adaptation - the idea that we are now beyond remediating climate change and the job now is to learn to adapt to the collapse that is coming: https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/deep-adaptation-a-map-for-navigating-climate-tragedy/2018/08/13 I'd like to talk about this with others who are interested and wondering if we could make a time to do that, maybe by zoom if anyone has an account? All the best, Patricia

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Christine Wamsler Tue 6 Nov 2018 11:45AM

I would be definitively interested! :)

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Michael Kimball Tue 6 Nov 2018 2:48PM

Hi Patricia,

This theme is very interesting to me and I would enjoy an opportunity to talk with others about it. I’m a bit pressed for time right now, though, so it’s probably best for me to get involved in a few weeks, if that’s possible given others’
availabilities.

Cheers,

Mike

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Associate Professor, Anthropology

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Vincenzo Giorgino Tue 6 Nov 2018 4:00PM

Hi!
yes, it is definitively interesting and the last month the same author gave a keynote speech at the UNISRD connecting the need for a deep change in mindset with the distributed ledger technologies and cryptocurrencies to watch the video: http://www.b4sd.net/
to read the text: http://iflas.blogspot.com/2018/10/keynote-at-un-on-blockchains-transcript.html
I apologize but I cannot participate to the discussion until after the next two weeks.
Best,
Enzo

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Patricia Morgan Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:55PM

Hi Enzo, @vincenzogiorgino I saw a message from you in my email but can't see it here in this thread. The friend I mentioned is from Sydney - Annette who runs the community currency LETS Sydney, we work together on the Sharing Map Sydney: https://thesharingmap.com.au/
Thanks for the invitation I'd be happy to help on the wiseandsmartcities.eu If you can let me know when you have moved it to a commons and it is ready for people to add to it. Also being a digital immigrant if you can let me know how to use it. I'm also really interested in conferences and gathering related to the New Economy/the Commons, P-2-P etc if you know of any? I think it is important to attend and introduce the "inner dimensions of the new economy"/the contemplative commons: https://www.neweconomy.org.au/nena-hubs/inner-dimensions-and-healthy-cultures/ If its easier you're welcome to contact me on: patricia@thecontemplativeacademy.com Kindest Regards, Patricia

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Patricia Morgan Tue 6 Nov 2018 9:31PM

Hi Everyone @christinewamsler @vincenzogiorgino @michaelkimball (and anyone else who is interested) I'm happy to wait for a couple of weeks and maybe also wait for another day or so to see if anyone else wants to join and then I can send out a time poll - hopefully not too tricky as we are all in different parts of the world! In the mean time you may like to look at Jem Bendel's website there are a number of interesting blog posts such as this one: https://jembendell.wordpress.com/2018/08/25/after-acceptance-some-responses-to-anticipating-collapse/ One of the things I find interesting about his work in this area is that some of the suggested responses relate to our emotional/subjective/inner lives.

Thanks Enzo for posting the links to his presentation on cryptocurriencies that looks interesting. I was first made aware of his work by a friend who has worked with him on community currencies. Looking forward to connecting soon. Kind Regards, Patricia

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Poll Created Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:37PM

Meeting to discuss Deep Adaptation Closed Wed 21 Nov 2018 8:01PM

It could be good to first read the article on Deep Adaptation and then have an open circle discussion about our feelings and impressions and responses. Please feel free to suggest another approach to the meeting

Results

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Tue 20 Nov 2018  8:00PM
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4 of 35 people have voted (11%)

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Michael Kimball Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:44PM

I could meet after 12:30 and before 1:30 pm on the 20th.

DU

[deactivated account] Thu 8 Nov 2018 5:14PM

Tue 20 Nov 2018 8:00PM

focussing on writing at the moment, but like the conversation and will come if I can!

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Vincenzo Giorgino Sun 18 Nov 2018 4:52PM

At 9pm (Rome time) I am on the way home.

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Patricia Morgan Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:45PM

Hi Everyone @vincenzogiorgino @michaelkimball @christinewamsler I just started a time poll for a meeting in 2 weeks either the 21st or 22nd of November, I don't know how to add times so only put one time 7am (Sydney time) but as there are only 4 of us please feel free to add days and times. I can do pretty much any time from 7am - 10pm) on Wednesday the 21st, and from 7am to 4pm on Thursday the 22nd, or any time on Friday the 23rd. If you can get back by Sunday the 11th of November that would be great. By the way does anyone have a zoom account? All the best, Patricia

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Sophie Jerram Wed 7 Nov 2018 10:55PM

thanks Patricia! I won;t commit for a few days but am keen in principle to look into this.
best, Sophie

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Patricia Morgan Wed 14 Nov 2018 9:09PM

Hi Everyone @sophiejerram @michaelkimball @vincenzogiorgino @christinewamsler @undefined there hasn't been much movement on the timepoll and I'm sorry I'm not sure how to add more options, so here is another option:
Can you indicate which one you can make, and can you read the article before the meeting:
20th of November: 7am 12 Noon 7pm
21st of November: 8am 2pm 7pm
22nd of November: 8am 12 noon 7pm

You may also find this video by Daniel Wahl helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNS_8m7C3EI

Looking forward to hearing from you, All the best, Patricia

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Michael Kimball Wed 14 Nov 2018 9:52PM

Hi Patricia,

Would you tell me what time zone those times are for?

Cheers,

Mike

Michael J. Kimball, Ph.D.

Associate Professor, Anthropology

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Patricia Morgan Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:02PM

Hi Michael sorry about that they are Sydney Australia - AEDT. All the best, Patricia

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Vincenzo Giorgino Thu 15 Nov 2018 5:12AM

Hi!

If possible I would like any date after December 6th as I will be free from teaching.
Best,

Enzo

MK

Michael Kimball Fri 16 Nov 2018 5:49PM

Hi Patricia,

If I’ve done the math correctly (and I don’t have a good reputation for this!), I think Wednesday the 22nd at 8 am your time (which I believe will be 2 pm on the 21st US Mountain Time) is the only date/time I can join
you given my work schedule and our Thanksgiving holiday.

Cheers,

Mike

Michael J. Kimball, Ph.D.

Associate Professor, Anthropology

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Candelaria 2200F | Campus Box 90 | Greeley, CO 80639

O: 970-351-2277 | F: 970-351-2890

http://www.unco.edu/hss/anthropology/faculty-staff/mike-kimball.aspx

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Patricia Morgan Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:44PM

Hi Michael @michaelkimball I have to join you there with not being so good at figuring those things out! I'm sorry I now have a meeting at that time, its a bit tricky trying to get a good time for everyone. All the best, Patricia

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Patricia Morgan Tue 20 Nov 2018 8:58PM

Hi Michael @michaelkimball I'm sorry I meant to say that my time is very flexible at the moment as I don't have defined work times but the flexibility means that things change very quickly. This has in part made it hard to find a time that works for everyone because unless people get back quite quickly and I can lock a date and time in, things can change for me. I do hope we can find a way to talk together about Deep Adaption and so start helping support each other with this issue. Kind Regards, Patricia

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[deactivated account] Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:47PM

Please keep me in the loop and I will come along if I can.

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Patricia Morgan Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:46PM

Hi Everyone, it's proving a bit difficult to find a time that suits everyone. I have a suggestion if this might work for you? We could read the article and make comments here as a starting point and then if there is further interest we could work towards an online meeting? Please make any other suggestions for ways that you think this might work. Kind Regards, Patricia

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Sophie Jerram Tue 20 Nov 2018 6:53PM

Thanks Patricia
I'm keen to meet and talk in a suitable Australasian time. Have you read much Timothy Morton? He deals with dark ecology and despair in a slightly more poetic way than this paper which i've now read (cursorily). I'm personally aware that presenting /modeling cases of communities in adaptation (eg conference on social soldarity and the commons this Friday) assists with my hope and optimism. Getting prepared for my community to become self sufficient has become the biggest driver outside my work. Thanks for the prompt to consciousness here.

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Patricia Morgan Tue 20 Nov 2018 8:54PM

Hi Sophie @sophiejerram nice to hear from you and no I haven't read Timothy Morten's work - could you suggest a book or article? Bendell mentions this group in the UK: https://dark-mountain.net/ who also use creative approaches. Like you I again hope from my volunteering with the New Economy Network of Australia but after reading Deep Adaptation I think we may need to look at focusing our efforts slightly differently. I would really like to hear more about our community, is that in New Zealand. I am looking at coming home maybe late this year and would like to connect with a community who are working to become self sufficient. All the very best, Patricia

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Patricia Morgan Fri 23 Nov 2018 4:30AM

Hi Everyone I recently emailed Jem Bendell about his Deep Adaptation work and I thought you might be interested to see this response from his RA, it also contains links to what looks like interesting/useful information, and a link to his Deep Adapation Linkedin group that you may like to join? :

"Reaction to his report on collapse-readiness in the face of disruptive climate change has been significant (over 50k downloads, featured in mass media worldwide, and generating hundreds of emails from people in all walks of life).
Jem is not responding to the hundreds of emails he is receiving. The best way to engage on this issue is to:
Join the Deep Adaptation linked in group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12091253/
Follow his blog: http://www.jembendell.com

If you have queries about IFLAS, please email david.murphy@cumbria.ac.uk and if you have queries about Deep Adaptation, please ask me, Matthew, Jem's EA. My email is matslats@fastmail.com

If you want to receive a full update on Jem's work, in a couple of weeks, please join his list here: http://eepurl.com/beciEb

This is also interesting to me personally, and I will answer you separately

Below I list some links that may be of use.

Thanks,
Matthew Slater, EA to Prof Bendell

His climate paper: http://iflas.blogspot.com/2018/07/new-paper-on-deep-adaptation-to-climate.html?m=1
His talk on it at the Cumbria Uni conference: http://iflas.blogspot.com/2018/10/leadership-beyond-denial-of-our-climate.html?m=1
His next leadership short course: https://store.cumbria.ac.uk/product-catalogue/general/short-courses/foundations-of-sustainable-leadership-2019
Jem has sought to align his work on currency innovation with the urgent challenge of our climate crisis.
His recent talk at the UN: https://youtu.be/Tjfolq1oLkQ
The short course on blockchain and sustainable development: https://store.cumbria.ac.uk/product-catalogue/general/short-courses/crypto-blockchain-and-society-exploring-sustainable-exchange
The free mass open online course on this: http://iflas.blogspot.com/2014/12/money-and-society-mooc.htm

Kind Regards, Patricia

MK

Michael Kimball Fri 23 Nov 2018 8:26PM

Patricia,

Thank you for sharing this enlightening response with us. And thank you as well for introducing it to us a topic for consideration to begin with. The more I ponder it, the more I realize that my work, in its own way, surely points in this
direction. The challenge is how to connect it up to the larger project. I have sent a request to join Jem’s LinkedIn group and email list. I look forward to the opportunity to continue to develop the right questions and approaches in collaboration with you
and others.

Cheers,

Mike

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Patricia Morgan Fri 23 Nov 2018 10:28PM

Hi Mike, @michaelkimball really nice to hear from you and thank you for sharing your thoughts, work, and this link to the climate warning. I'm still finding it hard to come to terms with but do believe that big changes are coming! I to joined the linkedin group. I was wondering if you'd like to try for a skype or zoom call to discuss this - it seemed difficult to get everyone together on a call but I thought maybe we could do a few calls with each other - and if we use zoom (do you have a zoom account) we can record them and post here? Do you have any free time next week? All the best, Patricia

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Michael Kimball Mon 26 Nov 2018 4:58PM

Hi Patricia,

I am very motivated to think about and discuss this with you and others. My schedule is unfortunately just too tight to do so until, realistically, the beginning of January now. I do have a Zoom account through my university and would be
happy to arrange the call at that time. Hopefully we can work out the time difference and our scheduling conflicts!

Cheers,

Mike

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Patricia Morgan Mon 26 Nov 2018 10:29PM

Hi Mike @michaelkimball thank you for your reply and glad to know you are interesting in connecting would you like to send some times or even set up a time poll in loomio? All the very best, Patricia

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Patricia Morgan Fri 24 May 2019 2:32AM

Good morning everyone, the sun is out here in Sydney and has been for 2 weeks in a row, its beautiful in a way (we have Summer temperatures at the beginning of Winter) but now for me there is a shadow hanging over it, and aberations accompanying it such as the frangapani trees flowering for the second time this year, they are confused as I am. Vincenzo @vincenzogiorgino your message yesterday prompted me to say a bit about my journey with Deep Adaption, which continues as a right wing climate-denying coal-loving government has just got back into power here in Australia. When I first read about Deep Adaptation I was keen to connect and speak with others about it, for while I could understand the concepts, the reality of a near term climate collapse was too much for me to hold inside for any length of time and it still is!

Some of the things that have happened since I started this thread, which you may already know about are the amazing work of the Extinction Rebellion: https://rebellion.earth/ and the Climate Emergency group: https://climateemergencydeclaration.org/, plus Jem Bendell's work in Deep Adaption has grown expodentially, and there is now a Deep Adaption Forum that you can join and groups within that, which you can take part in, plus he is running a number of workshops on Deep Adaptation. The thing I was/am interested in, is the inner dimension/responses to climate collaspe and I've been interested to see the rise of climate psychology/psychotherapy, and climate grief groups, there is a Positive Deep Adaptation Facebook group you can join. For example I just recieved an email about a: "Anthropocene on the Mind: A Cross Disciplinary Dialogue on Mental Health" gathering next month at the University of Technology Sydney, there is a day-long pastoral care training on climate collapse offered by the Uniting Church next week and a climate grief workshop that was run by a climate arts group last Tuesday. Plus I was part of a group that made a submission to my local council to declare a climate emergency, and it was passed so Randwick City Council - my local council is now the 17th council in Australia to do this and it joins many from around the world.

I've been surprised to find that while I am still keen to connect and speak/feel about the scariest thing that has happened/is happening in my life time, I now feel a greater urgency to start connecting into a community and work to become resilent in the basics of life - food, water and community and I'm not sure if you can do this in a big city? There are some wonderful approaches to remediating climate change such as Drawdown: https://www.drawdown.org/ and much incredible science, there are so many gatherings where "experts" talk about the scale of the problem , but my sense is that we are beyond all of that - I hope I'm wrong. It's so hard to talk about this because I really don't want to upset people but I also think it is good to know what is happening and start getting prepared. I wish you all the very best and happy to keep talking about this. Love Patricia
PS: Here is our group outside the Randwick City Council - a great evening though for me a rather if bizarre introduction to the democratic process! I'm the short one with dark hair standing behind the word "It's"