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Mon 3 Aug 2015 9:59PM

PeerJ possibility report, discussion

AH Alex Holcombe Public Seen by 198

for background on PeerJ see here https://www.loomio.org/d/VIgtdbXP/call-for-questions-for-peerj

I spoke to PeerJ founders Pete Binfield (who was formerly the executive editor of PLoS ONE) and Jason Hoyt.

PeerJ is a mega-journal in the style of PLoS ONE or Scientific Reports. For computer science, they created essentially a new journal, PeerJ Computer Science, running on the same infrastructure and tightly linked to PeerJ. They are not interested in doing this for perception/vision however. The numbers of potential authors are too low for them to have any confidence it would yield a vibrant community. The pool of potential authors in computer science is >>100,000, much bigger than the few thousand (?) in perception science.

But they are interested in creating sub-sections of their journal that are sort of like sub-journals but not as autonomous. For PeerJ, these provide several advantages over an undifferentiated mega-journal. They mentioned two such options:

Collections

So far collections have been created for papers on a very specific topic, or for those associated with a conference. They can be normal, peer-reviewed manuscripts accepted by PeerJ, or PeerJ preprints, including posters. An example is "The biology of the Hawaiian Archipelago" collection, an example of one for a conference is https://peerj.com/collections/15-msw15/ . The way this works currently (they seem open to potential modifications) is that an editor who proposes the collection decides which already-accepted articles are part of the collection and which aren't. This could be a good way for the community to dip our toe into the waters at PeerJ.

For example, ECVP might decide they'd like to highlight the award-winning posters by creating a PeerJ collection of them. The authors of said posters, should they like the idea of being included, would submit their posters to PeerJ Preprints. A person from ECVP would then approve them for inclusion in the collection. (I don't know whether ECVP is giving poster awards this year, and perhaps if they do only give a few, not worth a collection, but one idea is to include an entire "longlist" of posters that were in the running for the award). An alternative is to create a Collection that is essentially a special issue, if we can think of a topic that would attract good authors.

This is a purely informational post, I won't advocate here for my preference- a PeerJ perception subject page :)

Subject pages

A subject page is more like a journal within a journal. A subject page points to all the articles accepted into PeerJ on a particular topic. There is one for Psychiatry and Psychology, which is mostly automated and has a "Latest articles and preprints" section and feed, also "Widely read", etc., and "Editors' picks" which I believe by default is those articles highly rated by the accepting editors. Along the right is a list of "Editors and advisors".
There is no editorial content in the sense of stuff (editorials) written by editors but PeerJ is open to that, I think they said they're planning on adding functionality for that. The idea is to create a community feel, and I think we / the editors of Perception/vision within PeerJ would want to be able to write editorials.
Notice the ways that a PeerJ Perception or Vision subject page would differ from a separate journal

  • Collections and Subject Pages don’t assign their own ISSN nor citation. The citation for each article would be to PeerJ (the journal) or PeerJ PrePrints
  • Same editorial standards as the rest of PeerJ, which is essentially just like PLoS ONE, importance not a criterion, just good methodology. It is quite subjective ultimately what counts as good methodology though, and basically the editors in the area decide that. However there currently is no facility for a chief editor of a subject, so there is no built-in across-editor organization.

Other issues

  • Institutional funding to reduce the (already-low) author fees? It's possible. #1, institutional memberships exist, e.g. Jon Peirce said his uni is a member, making publishing at PeerJ free. Also, bulk buying already exists for handing out to authors of your choice.
  • How do we know they won't sell out to Elsevier? They said they unfortunately can't guarantee anything. One of the co-founders, Jason Hoyt, came from Mendeley and from his post at the time you can see he was very disappointed (somewhat guarded, he was talking about his colleagues) in them selling out to Elsevier http://enjoythedisruption.com/post/47527556151/my-thoughts-on-mendeleyelsevier-why-i-left-to
  • They don't publish traditional review articles where an author surveys the field and writes their opinion. They do publish however things that look like meta-analyses or that result in plots of evidence mined from the literature, e.g. https://peerj.com/preprints/921/
  • They have nice support for embedded movies which they host themselves, and create both small download and large download versions.
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Nick Scott-Samuel Thu 6 Aug 2015 7:24AM

Lee, you say you "think it’s more important people respect the editorial process, than that younger enthusiasts get to be editors". Fair enough, but have a look at who's driving this discussion. I think you need both, because my experience is that the <25 types are more likely to get things done.

MB

Marco Bertamini Thu 6 Aug 2015 9:23AM

Alex, thanks for all the work on this.

I prefer the option of 'subject pages' rather than a collection. It would be good (a point already raised) if only papers that have been dealt by a specific set of editors would be on these pages, or have a specific tag, avoiding the risk that something edited by people outside what we feel is the vision/perception area gets mixed in. The reason this is important is not so much to control standards but to avoid a diluting of the scope.

The creation of such journal within a journal could be a specific proposal for the discussion at ECVP. Ideally the proposal can be circulated before and some people will be on board by then and take the lead.

As for publishing ECVP abstracts, this year we have an arrangement with Perception, they have always published the abstracts and we were keen to maintain the continuity. The arrangement is complex because although it costs money to publish the abstracts they are also sponsors of the conference (so it's a two-way deal).

There has been talk of special issues related to satellite meetings (we have two, and they are not covered by the Perception arrangement) and the illusions parade (but for that we are well into discussion with another journal).

The future may see developments because various things have changed this year. First of all we are now operating an entirely electronic abstract publication, secondly the publisher of Perception has changed from a small company (Pion) to a large one (Sage).

TW

Tom Wallis Fri 7 Aug 2015 12:20PM

Alex: in your outline of the PeerJ membership system, you neglected to mention what I think is the coolest feature (and also a slight catch, for those not reading carefully). The $99 lifetime membership is contingent on you contributing to the community via a review or comment (post-pub review) once per year:

We aim to make PeerJ a community, and no one is forced to provide a review if they choose not to do so. To help the community though, we are incentivizing participation by inviting those with paid publishing plans to submit a review at least once per year (and we consider a 'review' to be an informal comment on a submission to PeerJ PrePrints; a formally requested peer review* of a paper submitted to PeerJ; or an informal comment on a published paper). If you choose not to perform at least one review every 12 months, then at our discretion your publishing plan will lapse and you will need to pay $99 to reactivate your plan the next time you want to publish with PeerJ. We think this give-and-take is fair to the community as it incentivizes participation in the ongoing task of peer review and will collectively reduce everyone's burden.

I think this is a large part of the reason that authors report such positive and fast reviews -- because members of PeerJ are motivated to do at least one review per year. The fact that comments on papers also counts is one way that I feel the platform might help increase post-publication reviews in a way that e.g. PLoS's comment system has failed to do.

TW

Tom Wallis Fri 7 Aug 2015 12:21PM

(the above quote is taken from the FAQ page, under "What if I don't do a review when invited?"...