Reviewing our environmental impact

Would Nest consider asking people not to fly? I can see both sides to this (it's not very inclusive for one!) but I also believe it's a decision more of us need to take (not just during burns) if we're going to protect the climate.

Secondly, the site is near two stations and possibly we could get more people to take public transport. For me an important part of making that possible was a friend taking the bulky luggage in their car, otherwise it would have been quite impractical. This is something we can encourage people to consider.

Nest already asks people to share transport etc. where possible. I have no doubt that they do, especially wrt heavy fuel uses like trucks.

It seems unnecessary to evaluate particular options.

Personally, I fly only when necessary - for some definition of necessary. Doubtless everybody else does the same - for their own definitions. So unless you completely ban anyone who has flown anywhere recently you will have to have some sort of similar soft ban and the person who sees it as the most practical option will always fit themselves into that bracket.

I would totally support an info board, a nonaggressive campaign, or whatever, clarifying the cost to the planet of flights and alternatives.

Indeed - I flew from Berlin (pretty sure that's further than most!) - not sure it was "necessary", but going by land would have taken 13 hours (a bit less than I thought it would, to be fair) and cost a little under twice as much (170GBP as opposed to 90).

Would be interesting to do a survey or census to see how many people took each form of transport to get there.

I'd also wonder if Nest environmentalists heading to Nowhere are going via land or air?

I believe Luke Pinna is organising a coach to go from London to Nowhere, partly because a fully booked coach is drastically better for the environment than those same people flying or even taking the train, over that distance (and cheaper for everyone too, I believe). I'm not sure if Luke is on Loomio as he's not a Nestling as such, but he's easy enough to find on FB if you want to talk to him.

@paulbradshaw that cost difference will be because of the disgusting subsidies the government gives to air travel over other forms of travel, big oil has very powerful lobbiest and we have weak governments. Personally I will be going to nowhere by land in a van field with biodiesel as I'm taking a large art project, otherwise I would choose the NoBus or TGV and public coach for the last bit. I did used to fly lots for my job, but that's before I realised I'd been lied to and conned big time and updated my views based on evidence. Next year I will be organising nest coach's unless someone beats me to it.

Tom. You are correct that the Nest power provision was overspecced and that we need to urgently review this. However Borderlands actually has 2 off 110kVA generators so much larger than our system. But they are obliged to use electricity for cooking at Borderlands due to restrictive gas regulations so this power requirement is no surprise. Here's the Borderland grid for this year. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=17RINH_cefooqIkKYTEj-I_V5GnGgrkh0&ll=55.62821404194631%2C12.172843525817711&z=16
Current per phase was spot checked at Nest but without continuous data it's hard to build up a good picture of usage. I have some plans to improve on this next year. We have a good design team including a lecturer in power systems but would certainly welcome you as a shift power volunteer, thank you. Do you have a power industry qualification, not that it matters of course.

Would love you to provide power and lights at gate next year, that would be great.

Regarding estate power the owner has made it clear that he doesn't want power on the area of the site where we operate as he has no use for it for any other event. It's also not a cost that Nest would be able to afford I think, even if amortised over a number of years.

Simon, we discussed the idea of bringing power from the house to our site while at Nest and I accept that it has challenges, but I wonder whether it is worth looking into since it does present a neat solution to our problem of inefficiently burning lots of jurassic juice. Even if it costs a bit more I suspect the community would pay it through the ticket price in order to run a more sustainable event. The problem as I see it (and I aint no expert) is the size of cable over the length required. Could we hire this cable? A connection into the house might also be an issue as might Alex’s attidute towards this, however it could offer him the option of running power out to his lawn where he hosts lots of weddings and outdoor events (not sure how he does that at the moment). Anyway, by working with him we may be able to persude him.

I spoke to Alex who does indeed run temporary power out to the lawn for his events. I don't know what capacity is available. In order to provide a permanent feed we would need to have a steel wire armoured cable buried in a trench. Distance is approximately 400m. Cable cost for say a 50mm sq cable [not checked volt drop] would be approx £15 per m so about £6000 plus trenching, terminating switchgear and certification.

This assumes power from the house, there is overhead power at gate location but I have no idea what the cost from the electricity supply company is to provide a drop, if indeed that is possible.

If we were to hire 400m of 125A 3 phase cable the cost would be around £900 however the volt drop would likely be too high given standard hire cable sizes. Don't know if you can hire over sized temporary cables. Crossing roads would have to be done with either road humps or a catenary. But it's not impossible I agree.

Unless anyone else is desperately interested in these details I suggest we take this to Asana to avoid boring people to death!

How does one get access to Asana? Can you add me? I would love to continue this discussion. I'm part p qualified, uses to do cabling work for agrecko but there internal training stuff isn't valid unless I'm working for them

You can have subtopics here, like the Art and Creativity one. Threads only appear in the topics you've joined, I believe.

I think the discussion should stay here and let's set up a Power thread for us geeks who enjoy discussing this stuff. Tom, Asana is a project management tool which will not doubt be used by whatever team comes together to implement whatever is agreed here

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Ok with me - please do it.

@pauliophario am I right in thinking only leads get access to Asana though currently?

Yes, there is no need for all community members to access Asana as it’s a task orientated project management tool not a discussion tool

I've added a new subgroup called Nest Power. Please feel free to join us there