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OPEN 2020 - Propose a session

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If you're interested in proposing a session at OPEN 2020 please click PROPOSAL below and add your idea. Keep it to 500 words and make it as specific as possible by explaining exactly what you want to talk about and what the outcomes / intentions are... Please clarify if this is a Presentation, Discussion, or Working Session and set an 'end date' for June 1st.

We encourage everyone to ask questions, discuss the Proposals and to vote for them if you would like to attend the proposed session.

This thread is simply for people to propose sessions for OPEN 2020. If you like the sound of a session then please vote "agree".

All the sessions proposed here will be added to the OPEN SPACE ideas board at OPEN 2020. They will also have stickers allocated to them, to represent the number of votes they have gathered here.

The "dot voting" will continue at the event and the proposals with the most votes will be allocated time slots to run their sessions.

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Oli SB Fri 24 Jan 2020 2:24PM

I like this - thanks Graham. I think, in order to make it easier for others to discuss and vote on proposals for sessions, it will be best if 'proposers' add them as Proposals using the PROPOSAL button below, and so we don't clog up the comments on this thread. Sorry if that was not clear, I will try to make it more obvious by editing the description above. I'm happy to copy your idea out and paste it in as a Proposal, or you can? Thanks, Oli

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Poll Created Fri 24 Jan 2020 6:54PM

Cooperation-as-a-Service Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 5:02PM

At Open 2018 I was able to give a brief talk about the broad concept that I called 'cooperation-as-a-service'. One focus at that time was the idea that project groups during the early stages of their inception were focussed totally - and quite reasonably so - on what they wanted to achieve as a group rather than the how, and certainly not on what might follow once they'd achieved initial goals, in terms of governance arrangements, working practices, etc.Two years on, and the Digital Life Collective - a UK registered co-operative, is rolling out a practical implementation of some of these ideas, a socio-technical platform that we've called CaaS, or Cooperation-as-a-Service. We've been using it internally as we've built it over the last year or more, and we're now making the service available to a number of organisations, communities of interest/practice and other aligned networks.

In practice the service provides access to a collation of open source software services (e.g. Mattermost, CodiMD, and others) that are integrated through a custom interface that provides additional functionality. We're operating on a live beta basis, working closely with each new community of users as they get on board, enabling them to co-create the next iteration of the service with us, as partners and members of the platform cooperative. A key facet of what we're working on is opportunities for these various communities to talk to and work with each other, creating a multiplex co-op, a complex ecosystem for mutual benefit. Our next big challenge is to move beyond the relational, conversational base that we have and enable some transactional services, and our team is in active collaboration with blockchain based projects on this front, as well as mutual credit, to enable trade within the network and beyond.

Of course there's nothing new in the idea of software as a service or platform as a service, but we believe that our cooperative take on the idea, putting cooperation front and centre, can increasingly deliver a lot of added value for the people and organisations that use and co-create the platform.

We'd be very happy to run a session at the event to present the thinking behind the service offering, and where we'd like to take it over the course of the next year or two. We'd also be very interested to use Open 2020 as an opportunity to bring at least some of the other players in this space, some of whom have been represented in previous years at the OPEN event, for mutual benefit. I'm thinking the folks at https://www.commonscloud.coop and others. Presentation and Discussion.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 88.9% 16 WO GJ G ML LM MW SG OF LS AP JW E R MF JVA D
Abstain 11.1% 2 HB M
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

18 of 18 people have voted (100%)

MF

Mary Fee
Agree
Wed 19 Feb 2020 2:23PM

Looks complicated.....

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:27PM

Love the idea

WO

wouter@freeknowledge.eu
Agree
Sun 31 May 2020 8:42PM

I'd like to know more about DigLife and see what we can learn from you for femProcomuns, the cooperative behind CommonsCloud.

PA

Poll Created Fri 24 Jan 2020 7:21PM

VocalEyes & LocalEyes - Community Organising - Mass Mobilisation Strategy to Tackle the Climate & Ecological Emergency Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 6:01PM

A presentation and invitation to collaborate in an emerging movement supporting mass mobilisation of communities, schools, colleges & other organisations to prioritise solutions, learn together and organise action around the climate & ecological emergency (C&EE).

Working practically on system change (not climate change!) developing digital & dialogue tools (blended/hybrid approach) for local democracy, participatory budgeting and community organising. Demonstrating strong case studies in schools, colleges, universities, unions and geographic communities. Many ideas being prioritised are of an environmental nature and this can encourage a move to declare climate & ecological emergency. 

This model can be rolled out to large networks of communities, schools and groups and generates demand for large numbers of volunteers and economically self sustaining Community Organisers to help people engage with the process and move into action.

In biomimicry terms, we are trying to create highly functioning local cells (communities/groups) that can process and replicate high impact/healthy DNA (project templates) more effectively, rapidly and at scale.

We invite you to learn about our journey so far and discuss how we might collaborate and cooperate going forward to build mass mobilisation movement capable of tackling global challenges.

.....

More info:

About: https://about.vocaleyes.org

Blog: https://blog.vocaleyes.org

Tutorials: https://academy.vocaleyes.org


Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 84.6% 11 JD GJ G MW R B GA MF JVA OBM A
Abstain 7.7% 1 M
Disagree 7.7% 1 AP
Undecided 0% 0  

13 of 13 people have voted (100%)

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:26PM

I can participate and contribute in this topic

OBM

Ollie Bream McIntosh
Agree
Sun 31 May 2020 10:08PM

I've been aware of Vocal Eyes for a while and am super interested to see this session come to fruition! Buckets of synergy here with my own practice, so more than happy to scope out some form of collab too :)

DF

Poll Created Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:20PM

Community payment platforms - linking financial and non-financial economies to create sustainability Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 12:04PM

A presentation and discussion about how we can go beyond isolated town pound, timebanking and LETS currencies to carve out a new digital economic intervention fit for the 2020s.

Most complementary and alternative currencies fail after a few years - some because of lack of funding, some because of volunteer burn-out, and some because of a reduction in usage after the initial excitement wears off. Meanwhile, the big tech giants are increasingly monopolising our payments industry, taking ownership of our transaction data (driving advertising and unsustainable growth), not to mention syphoning significant amounts of money out of our economy.

Meanwhile in many parts of the world, municipalities are becoming more autonomous.  Local governance structures and are increasingly held accountable for local performance in areas such as economic development, carbon emissions, social exclusion, social care and health.  The economy is the mechanism for sharing the world’s resources amongst the people - and the local economy is therefore a key system for municipalities to engage with.

We are also starting to see changes in attitudes to citizens’ involvement in the democratic process, following the rise in populist movements as a result of the disconnect between the political leadership and the people the politicians represent. 

The idea I wish to present is a payment platform with local cooperative governance.  The platform would not only carry financial transactions, but also a range of complementary tokens, co-designed by the community.  

Some of the tokens might be issued by anchor institutions to engage citizens and businesses in activity which is helpful in meeting the institution’s targets.  For example, tokens might be earned for cycling and walking, for looking in on an elderly neighbour, for taking a reusable coffee cup, for keeping water or household energy consumption low.  Tokens might drive discounts in pursuit of other targets - for example, tokens might enable discounts at independent shops and hospitality businesses, which in turn can part pay their business rates in tokens.  In effect in such a scheme, a local authority would take a hit in income, but could treat this as a cost to its strategy to reach its zero carbon, social care and local high street goals.

Other tokens might be issued and traded completely separately to the anchor institutions.  There could be LETS type tokens to encourage the sharing economy, and timebanking tokens to help poorer communities share their skills to meet each other’s needs.  But even these tokens might drive discounts in the mainstream economy, for example, offering cheaper rates at the local sports and leisure centre - again, a slight loss in income ultimately for a local authority, but in return for increased community cohesion, wellbeing and health.

Two other key points.  Because the platform would consist of e-wallets outside the banking system, with regulation through an EMI, we could tackle the issue of access to digital money, which is rapidly becoming a significant problem for those who are unbanked.  And finally, the data would be used ethically - the holistic, anonymised dataset would provide great insights for local anchor institutions and the cooperative itself, to assist with future policy and planning, including the ongoing development of tokens on the system.

The truly innovative concept is bringing together fiat and complementary currencies onto one platform, in such a way that the local people have a hand in creating the kind of local economy they want, rather than being coerced into a global economy over which they have no control. Championed by local anchor institutions, the platform would operate at scale with all citizens and businesses having ewallets, which would be the payment method of choice for anchor institutions and businesses.


Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 94.4% 17 JD GJ G MW TE CC AP HB SH JW M R JG B P MF LH
Abstain 5.6% 1 OS
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

18 of 18 people have voted (100%)

HB

Hugh Barnard
Agree
Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:42PM

Yes, agree with this. Quite a bit of 'community of practice' already including: https://republicoflagrangia.org/2016/08/14/torekes-land-and-money/ that also suggests a way of backing these using underused or abandoned resources in the locality.

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mike_hales
Agree
Wed 29 Jan 2020 5:59PM

Beyond currencies and tokens too @Diana Finch , into mutual credit - let's escape money as far as we can? And although I recognise what is important in 'anchor institutions' - they're inescapably here in the short-to-medium term, at least as far as the channelling of spending in the local economy is concerned - we shouldn't be too ready to pin our hopes on them? They have other, divergent agendas too? They are, after all, corporates.

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philh
Agree
Wed 29 Jan 2020 6:30PM

Great topic. I'd recommend to investigate other successful (like Will Rudick in Kenya) and less successful (like Poi in France) similar initiatives so that new local & tokenized payment systems with local governance benefit from lessons learned.

SH

Steve Huckle
Agree
Thu 30 Jan 2020 10:20AM

I like it. Furthermore, I have created a prototype crypto token that aims to incentive energy efficiency: https://github.com/glowkeeper/Enervator. That currently has a global scope, but it needn't; indeed, my university and a local county council are currently in discussion regarding a research proposal where they deploy Enervator to add value to their public spaces. I'm happy to contribute work around Enervator, if it's deemed appropriate.

OS

Oli SB
Abstain
Thu 30 Jan 2020 10:59AM

abstaining so as not to bias the vote - but yes, some interesting ideas in here - see also https://www.commonshood.eu/#two (which seems to have the tech to do what you want - and will hopefully also be at OPEN 2020) and https://www.grassrootseconomics.org/single-post/CICs-are-Now-Open-Source (as @philh suggested )

CC

Chris Cook
Agree
Mon 3 Feb 2020 12:30PM

I've been into fintech since inventing in 1998 a shared market transaction registry - NewClear. (I used to be a Director of a global energy exchange). I now research & develop risk, cost, surplus & data sharing institutions & instruments for a resilient society/economy - Energy Fintech & Community (People/Place) Fintech

JW

John Waters
Agree
Mon 3 Feb 2020 2:22PM


I'm keen to see such a comprehensive initiative finally realized (but it's certainly not the first proposal to do so). I'd very much like to help if/where possible. Anything of this type has to be designed with sufficient flexibility to enable it to co-evolve with the environment in which it operates, and that really requires an open and eclectic approach.

JG

John Grant
Agree
Wed 12 Feb 2020 8:05AM

Given that central bankers have joined the spivs and speculators at the roulette table, greater awareness and discussion of this topic is of vital importance.

MF

Mary Fee
Agree
Wed 19 Feb 2020 2:37PM

Again, it seems rather complicated, but am always interested to learn.

LH

Lucas Huber
Agree
Sun 31 May 2020 12:54PM

Why wallets? Business, organisations and average citizens don't like or can't operate with wallets.

DF

Diana Finch Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:04AM

Thanks all for your support and ideas. @Hugh Barnard - I'll follow that up. @mike_hales - absolutely - this platform could be used to host mutual credit too. @philh - I'll check them out. Thanks @Oli SB - will take a look. @Steve Huckle - I'd love to chat about that Enervator with you - if you'd be up for a zoom chat, please email me - diana.finch@bristolpound.org. Thanks!

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Graham Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:39AM

Some others you may already be aware of: Faircoin and the FairCoop, Bank of the Commons, Open Credit Network, Counter Coin in Stoke on Trent, HullCoin, (there are many more). Lots of tools, approaches, technologies. Does traction and sustainability comes through protocols of interoperability and exchange, coupled with useful applications that make practical day-to-day sense to ordinary people?

OS

Oli SB Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:49AM

great links and brilliant question - I'd love to see that discussed at OPEN 2020

DF

Diana Finch Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:52AM

Thanks Graham - already ready in touch with some of them, but not all, so will look at them. But the answer is yes - and that's precisely what we're trying to build.

SH

Steve Huckle Wed 5 Feb 2020 10:31AM

@Graham - I'm not sure I understand what you're asking (so forgive me if I'm answering the wrong question), but interoperability is one of the features of some of Ethereum's token standards, such as ERC20 and ERC777.

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Graham Wed 5 Feb 2020 10:48AM

Hi @Steve Huckle - I guess I was making the point that there is a plethora of platforms, solutions, tools and approaches out there that can be used, and different things that might work best in different contexts, but that in order to build some real traction and get dots joined into something bigger and more robust what's needed are common protocols that enable all these different things to inter-operate. I'm certainly no expert and have at best a limited knowledge of the inner workings of things like Ethereum, Rchain, Holochain, etc, etc. Some or all or none of these may be of use. I'm looking for robust simplicity and straightforward trustworthy tools that everyone can use securely.

SH

Steve Huckle Wed 5 Feb 2020 11:03AM

@Graham - I guess the imperative is to design useful apps that utilise the interoperability of the platforms and tools that are out there. I'm a fan of the Ethereum ecosystem - it appears to be maturing and moving into a great space - but I recognise there are other platforms out there.

The line I was struggling with was: "Do traction and sustainability come through protocols of interoperability and exchange". Lots of worthy and important terms in there, so if you have time, I wouldn't mind you unpicking them a bit more, so I can get a good understanding of what you mean.

I was also intrigued by what you were inferring by "ordinary people". I think you were implying some form of top-down techno-determinism. That concerns me too, so I'd like to hear your thoughts there, also.

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mike_hales Wed 5 Feb 2020 1:04PM

@Steve Huckle wrote . . if you have time, I wouldn't mind you unpicking them a bit more . . traction and sustainability, protocols, interoperability, exchange, techno-determinism

Likewise. Maybe spring this out into another OpenCoop thread? It's getting large for a topic within 'Propose a topic'? Or maybe not - is this falling within 'Community payment platforms' or is it now spreading wider? How d'you feel about the scope of this @Graham @Diana Finch ? Might it evolve into another, closely linked, session? Diana's proposal wasn't specifically on the tech infrastructure, more on the local strategy?

DF

Diana Finch Wed 5 Feb 2020 1:14PM

I like the idea of a thread for the conference on this. You're right - at this stage it is not about what tech solution to plump for, it is more about scoping how to combine different sorts of currencies on one platform (fiat / tokens / timebanking / LETS / barter / mutual credit), the potential for using that interchange to start to radically change our current economic model, the research that is needed to ensure those interchanges work, the regulatory frameworks this would trigger, the ethics around incentivising behaviour change, governance and co-design and the space between that and research-based methodologies... I'd like to present our thoughts so far, as well as our learnings from the original Bristol Pound model, as I think this will help us work creatively together to find solutions that work. But equally, I want to listen and learn from others.

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Graham Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:01PM

I don't think there's anything particularly deep in what I'm saying. Looking back at the origins of this, by and large these community currencies, Bristol pound et al, don't appear to have delivered significant change in the way perhaps envisioned by those that created them (maybe I'm wrong on that). So I'm suggesting that rather than build yet more platforms and currencies and whatever else, the energy may be better invested in making the behind-the-scenes plumbing that can let all these things work in concert.
By the term "ordinary people" I was getting at the generally very low level of tech understanding that I see. I'm certainly no wizard when it comes to technology, but as a result of spending 25 years or more in proximity to it and interested in various aspects of it I can see that there is a very wide spectrum of knowledge. Many of the people I work with day to day, bright intelligent folks, struggle with very basic things when it comes to tech, stuff like email, how to use Slack, logging in to an online service, for example. Stuff needs to be easy to use and obvious.

GJ

Guy James Mon 17 Feb 2020 10:39AM

I have posted some info about FairCoop in the CommonsEngine course forum which you might find interesting @Diana Finch.

GJ

Guy James Mon 17 Feb 2020 10:43AM

Yes, I think we 'techy' people often underestimate how simple stuff really needs to be for people to be able to use it on a daily basis.

DF

Diana Finch Mon 17 Feb 2020 10:46AM

Thanks Guy - I'll look forward to reading it. :)

GA

Gary Alexander Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:52AM

That sounds really excellent Diana! I'll look forward to your discussions at Open:2020. Our Planetmakers project has major overlaps, and it looks like there will be various of us there with similar ideas. I think the important point is not simply to provide an enhanced exchange medium, but a community that is well-organised in terms of looking after itself and the natural world.

I hope we can all learn from each other, and maybe work together where appropriate. What is the state of your proposal? Do you have a team? Prototype? Places to try it out? Resources?

Gary

DF

Diana Finch Thu 30 Jan 2020 11:58AM

So far we have ideas, a couple of potential tech solutions, and interest from the Mayor of Bristol. The next phase is feasibility study: it has to create positive cost/benefit for the council and major infrastructure providers, as well as for businesses and for individuals; it has to be able to show that it will create meaningful behaviour change; it has to work within regulation; it has to be able to provide interfaces to integrate with existing systems - from diverse POS systems, to the council's revenues and benefits, from purchase ledger payments on varied accounts packages, to billing systems from energy providers... We're now trying to get funding for that research piece.

CC

Chris Cook Mon 3 Feb 2020 12:43PM

It seems to me - from a background in regulation of enterprise & markets - and many years experience in the field of 'legal design' at all levels from community to global markets, that it is completely possible to implement a 'NewClear' complementary mutual credit/token clearing solution very rapidly indeed, with no change in any law. I know Bristol reasonably well - my last meeting there was with Councillor Paul Smith re radical (community fintech) property funding based on land rental credits. I have also worked with Giuseppe Littera of Sardex in relation to community credit where my approach is that The Community IS the Currency

GJ

Guy James Mon 17 Feb 2020 10:46AM

It might be useful to be in contact with people from the council in Barcelona where they have already rolled out their own community currency, the REC.

DF

Diana Finch Mon 17 Feb 2020 8:29PM

Hi Guy

Btw I did try to send this to info@ but it came back undelivered.

Thanks for posting the article. I have to say it outlines the reason we did not go down the crypto route.

Many have said that being sterling backed means £B is doing nothing. Whilst I might agree that it has operated at such a small scale that it could create no impact other than a bit of awareness raising, that is not the reason it has (probably - decision time imminent) not worked out. Neither is lack of liquidity or scarcity. Indeed, the problem is almost too much money. And having talked to a few mutual credit currency groups, they have had similar problems to £B.

The problem is this - if you have okay cashflow, there is no reason to use the £B or the mutual credit. It is easier not to have to
- review your supply chain,
- choose new suppliers on the basis of payment method, and then
- get the bookkeeper to process some supplier invoices in a 'special' (ie time consuming) way.

I'm working on a completely different way forward now. Happy to talk it through if you want to zoom.

Best wishes
Diana

GJ

Guy James Mon 17 Feb 2020 10:38PM

I think mutual credit can work - for example in our local network we turned over about €16,000 worth of it, which is not world-shattering admittedly, but I would class it as healthy. Here it makes sense for small producers to bring their products to market occasionally with no red tape (and in many cases no taxes I suppose) without having the hassle of becoming an 'official' producer. Others have found it useful for trying out new products on the side before they become official. And it is a nice social club too. Anyway let's do a Zoom, yes, I am interested to know what you are up to. How about Wednesday?

DF

Diana Finch Tue 18 Feb 2020 8:29AM

Yup - I could do 9.30 or lunchtime. Can you send me a zoom invite to Diana.finch@bristolpound.org, as your email address was undeliverable? Thanks!

GJ

Guy James Tue 18 Feb 2020 3:50PM

Ok I will get back to you about this in a bit, just got to check the time with a couple of other people. Thanks for the heads up about the email not working, seems it has some sort of problem.

ML

Michael Linton Tue 18 Feb 2020 4:35PM

if this call is after 3pm uk, I would likely be able to join it. Otherwise, please record?

GJ

Guy James Tue 18 Feb 2020 7:20PM

I have scheduled it for the morning, so will try to record. My internet is not very good as you will have noticed in the last meeting, so please don't get your hopes up of everything being intelligible from my side. It rarely is anyway, even without connection issues... 😆

ML

Michael Linton Tue 18 Feb 2020 7:36PM

thanks Guy - let's see how it goes.

GA

Gary Alexander Fri 31 Jan 2020 3:52PM

Hi Diana, I had a long conversation with John Waters yesterday, so I think you are being overly modest when you give the impression that you are at the idea stage, when in fact you already have the Bristol Pound and all the work and connections that includes under your belt. You describe your project as "a payment platform with local cooperative governance", which is very much what we are working on although I think our vision is more general, "A community working together as a ‘commons’ for common good, using a community exchange system based upon trust and reputation to locally provide basic needs, like food, energy, transport, care services. It uses both money and also ‘gift economy’ to reward volunteering and reduce people’s need for money." (from our website, planet.coop ) I think the rewarding of volunteering through a gift economy (i.e. doing favours, exchange that is not numerically valued, but is publicly notified) might be much like what you are after, and what would please the Bristol City Council.

Currently we are exploring working with community groups in Norwich and London Fields, London. I think the overlap between us is enough so that a brainstorming session would be fruitful, and we might even explore working together in some ways.

Would you be up for a Skype/Zoom/voice call to talk about this?

Gary Alexander

[Dr Gary Alexander, Author of "eGaia, Growing a peaceful, sustainable Earth through
communications", Website: http://earthconnected.net ]

DF

Diana Finch Fri 31 Jan 2020 5:09PM

Hi Gary

Yes – a zoom call would be great! What slots do you have in your diary over the next couple of weeks?

Best wishes

Diana

ML

Michael Linton Mon 3 Feb 2020 6:07PM

if this call is after 3pm uk, I would be able to join it. Otherwise, please record?

DF

Diana Finch Wed 5 Feb 2020 10:16AM

Hi Gary

I’m keen to follow up on this with a Zoom.

I currently have some time tomorrow afternoon, or alternatively:

Monday 10th in the afternoon

Tuesday 11th in the afternoon

Thursday 13th – anytime

Do any of those work for you?

Best wishes

Diana

GA

Gary Alexander Wed 5 Feb 2020 11:40AM

Sent a pm proposing a Zoom tomorrow at 2:30 pm. Gary

VG

Poll Created Sun 2 Feb 2020 4:28PM

Working Session: Commoning in the Great Transition. Experiences in dialogue on the co-design of wise and fair ecosystems. Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:03PM

Outcome
by Vincenzo Giorgino Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:37PM

Hi! Thank you for your answers. I do not know what happens next but I can answer to Renata here saying that I believe that the two distributed ledgers can perform different tasks in the same ecosystem. I am not sure that they can be interoperable now but I remember that Arthur Brock once said "it is possible" and, as non expert, I rely on his statement. Today a new release of Holochain is available and maybe something more can be learned about. Warm wishes, Vincenzo

Dear All,

my intention is to create a space in which various ongoing programs or proposals can interact about the co-designing of local ecosystems. I will suggest to all participants to look at the technological and financial tools from a social point of view, paying also attention to life skills and their place in it.

I will present how commoning is intended in the ongoing CO3 project (2020-2022), a research and innovation project funded by the Horizon 2020 European Research program. CO3 is strongly connected to the previous Co-CITY program (funded by the Urban Innovative Action H2020 Call) and could be intended as its expansion. It is oriented to commoning via the tokenization of social interactions (the Internet of Values).  The acronym CO3 stands for “Digital Disruptive Technologies to Co-create, Co-produce and Co-manage Open Public Services along with Citizens”, aims at assessing the benefits and risks of four technologies, namely: blockchain, Augmented Reality, FirstLife geolocated social network, Liquid Feedback software for political opinion formation and decision making; the technique of gamification is applied as well. CO3 pilots the technologies’ ecosystem of in three sites: Athens, Paris, and Turin, involving 10 partners from 5 Countries (please get a look to the website of the program: https://www.projectco3.eu/

In my presentation, I will firstly focus only on the Commonshood (https://www.commonshood.eu/), the network created to enable citizens to interact and exchange values, in line with the “beyond money” perspective adopted by the research team. CO3 is coherent with a future in which via a single browser/wallet based on blockchain technology mobile devices will transmit daily not only cryptocurrencies as the local blockchain tokens traffic enables interactions for crowdfunding, group buying, loyalty points, gig economy, barter circuits, local advertising and all what relates to sharing economy in proximity. 

The use of blockchain means will not require a monetary counterpart in Euro, thereby creating a peer-to-peer social market where both resources in form of human work, goods and resources from crowdfunding will converge. It will match demand and offer of goods and services, using virtual tokens to reward the contribution of citizens. Blockchain technology merged with proximity Internet can create local non-monetary exchange areas that will be assigned directly to citizens, offering intuitive tools to explore creatively their possibilities. Such financial areas will preferably surround a physical urban commons and will rely on it for warehousing shared resources. The online platform developed by the project is conceived as a part of the everyday life situations of the commoners, facilitating their provisioning. 

Secondarily, I wish to suggest a comparison with the Holochain network and also take into account the OpenApp Ecosystem debate. I will underline similarities and differences through a specific grounded framework that interpret all economic interactions as "extended relational work" within an enactive paradigm (please, if you are interested, get a look to the book: https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/978331966591 ).

Thank you.

 Regards,

    Vincenzo Giorgino


Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 85.7% 6 JD TE AP SH JVA RB
Abstain 14.3% 1 M
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

7 of 7 people have voted (100%)

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:28PM

I'm preparing a proposal for systemic change at the south of Catalonia, it sounds like I need to pay attention

RB

Renata Ballesteros
Agree
Fri 13 Mar 2020 10:48PM

I'd be interested in learning why you have decided to work with Blockchain and the comparison with Holochain

JW

Poll Created Mon 3 Feb 2020 2:01PM

Variety-management, self-organization and metasystemic incentives to co-operation Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 12:04PM

It is widely recognized that neither co-operatives nor co-operators are very good at co-operating. No matter how great the co-operators’ interpersonal skills, how thorough their research, or how complete their understanding of what’s going on within their own field of vision, they’re still not really able to collaborate as effectively as they need to.

That’s a limitation in the very nature of humans and in the organizations and structures they build around themselves. They can’t cope with the amount of information reaching them or the number of choices facing them in any situation. Something essential is missing.

Although evolution over deep time has equipped humans to survive extremely challenging changes, enabling them to adapt and thrive as the world evolves around them, their emergent organizational structures have become increasingly more incomplete as they have clustered into ever larger groups. They have failed to create something real to fill that gap, instead plugging it with unadaptive proxies – generally in the form of some authority in which trust is all too often misplaced.

The thing missing is a metasystem and we need to build one collectively to meet the needs of 21st century humans and which we can all accept. The reason and the means can be summarized in one word: variety – the number of possible states in which a system can exist. It is a measure of the ability of any system (however defined - a person, a planet or a hyacinth) to cope with whatever it must. The simplicity of the definition downplays its enormous significance. It is the foundation of all (self-)organization and co-operation.

Without a metasystemic model to which we can each refer on our own terms, we are limited to working within the constraints of our idiosyncratic and very limited models. Our own knowledge, experience, understanding and imagination will always be insufficient. The multi-layered metasystem must provide a holistic overview and accept contributions of timely and relevant information for the collective good. It must also have requisite variety sufficient for the sum of all we are trying to achieve. Otherwise, as individuals, we face “information overload” and systemic blindness as a consequence of which we fail to:

  • manage the complexity of our interactions with others (and their initiatives);

  • identify points of synergy, instead competing wastefully for resources;

  • match resources to needs optimally;

  • build reservoirs of adaptive variety;

  • agree on shared priorities or reach acceptable compromises;

  • explore possibilities and solutions, or identify and analyse potential threats;

  • prevent the formation of systemic traps and parasitic behaviour; and

  • build the resilient commons-orientated networks around and through the many hostile institutions that are currently driving us towards global environmental disaster.

This is an invitation to a collaborative exploration of approaches to the creation of shared reference models, performance measures, feedback loops, transducers, simulations and other metasystemic tools, with particular reference to Ashby’s Law of Requisite Variety, the Conant-Ashby Theorem and Stafford Beer’s Viable Systems Model.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 81.8% 9 GJ G ML OF AP SH JG TH P
Abstain 18.2% 2 M RB
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

11 of 11 people have voted (100%)

G

Graham
Agree
Wed 5 Feb 2020 2:38PM

Sounds fantastic. Also sounds like at least a day-long session in its own right in order to achieve anything other than scratching the surface.

JG

John Grant
Agree
Wed 12 Feb 2020 7:58AM

Perhaps broaden the exploration slightly to signpost additional approaches such as complexity theory and complex adaptive systems.

M

mike_hales
Abstain
Sun 16 Feb 2020 8:53AM

Itch scratching, elephants, emperor’s nakedness . .

Grumpy old cyberneticians? I recognise the principle of meta model and limitation of individual bubbles but suspect our crisis is too far gone for such machinery at explicit scale to be built - and for enough folk to subscribe. I think the bubble challenge will have to be engaged by persons becoming more multi-bubble aware, more ‘pluriversal’, with greater equanimity. While mobilising many more of them.

RB

Renata Ballesteros
Abstain
Fri 13 Mar 2020 11:10PM

I'd like to add that a solution to the cooperation problem might not just be a matter of developing better information systems, but also a matter of recognizing and developing the power of emotional intelligence.

The capitalist, patriarchal, and competitive mindsets most of us were raised with, make for dysfunctional communication, so we must learn new patterns for understanding and caring about each other in order to work effectively.

HB

Hugh Barnard Tue 4 Feb 2020 4:18PM

I agree. However, I think it would be useful to simplify (not dumb down!) because of the range and interests of the audience. I've been participating in the Newham 'democracy commission' recently, which touched (timidly) on structure and governance.

JW

John Waters Thu 6 Feb 2020 1:35PM

@Hugh I wasn't aiming to go into any technical detail (there wouldn't be time, and in any case I wouldn't want to narrow the appeal more than necessary). My aim is partly to acknowledge some of the elephants in the room - elephants which I'm quite sure are visible to most people at least peripherally - and to draw attention to some of the emperors' nakedness. I believe a lot of problems remain hanging simply because most people don't know how to begin to address them, so drawing attention to the existence of one or two starting points is my other objective.

@Graham This would certainly be a surface-scratching exercise. I'm tempted to replace "surface" with "skin" and suggest that there's a persistent annoying itch in need of a good scratching, but that scratching is a process in need of a starting point.

@mike_hales Unless I've misinterpreted your (mis)interpretation of my suggestion, you appear to be making one of the points that I was trying to make. The last thing I would ever suggest is the contruction of "one metasystem to rule them all", but I would like to have access to a growing number of co-operating metasystems to find them - and in the growing illumination co-operatively bind them. At whatever scale, one of my main concerns (worries) is the tendancy of initiatives to compete for limited resources, thereby limiting their own potential, rather than identifying points of synergy. If that can be scaled upwards, gradually and where appropriate, so much the better. (BTW, I like the term "grumpy old cybernetician" and may adopt it as a signature. ;)

@John Grant I believe we need as many tools as possible in the toolbox. I just threw in a few that I find particularly useful. An eclectic toolkit is far more useful than a Swiss Army Knife. (The complexity theorists seem to have taken quite a lot from Ashby.)

SH

Steve Huckle Wed 19 Feb 2020 8:30AM

I agree with leaving out the technical detail - you'll just alienate the majority of the audience

GA

Poll Created Wed 5 Feb 2020 8:49PM

Planetmakers Platform: Progress report, and update on the social vision Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 5:02PM

In July 2018, I gave a talk called Our Shared Social Vision at Open:2018 about building collaborative, sustainable communities. It was 12 minutes long, and included four polls of the audience to see how much the vision was actually shared. The answer was “a lot”. And also, I described a possible route to implementing that vision that included building a distributed platform on top of on top of Holochain. That was the start of the Planetmakers Platform project.

Since then, I have spent much of my time working on that. We discovered a €1 Million EU prize, Blockchains for Social Good, that seemed perfect to fund it. We put in an application for that prize on 2nd Sept 2019, but we found out in December 2019 that we did not win (in large part because the progress of Holochain was too slow for us to do much with it). Nonetheless, through our work in applying, we made huge progress and learned a great deal.

In this workshop I will start with that progress: how we developed an approach to the social vision that was inspired by Commons Theory and Viable Systems, and how we incorporated that in ways that required no explanations of theory. As part of this, we commissioned work on Peacemaking that we think will be of great benefit to any community looking towards collaboration and sustainability. We developed an approach to a local economy based upon trust and reputation that includes both gift economy and forms of money.

We also created a partial ‘proof-of-concept’ prototype, Planetmakers PlaNET using Discourse, which I will describe. We are now rethinking and extending it.

We are currently reshaping the project in view of not getting the EU funding. We are looking for additional community and technical partners. We want to extend our prototype further for community testing.

I will invite the audience to describe other projects with major social and technical overlaps. We will explore various approaches to extending the software, both as proof-of-concept using existing tools, and what we would ultimately like. Please come and take part. I think there is a huge overlap between this and other of the projects proposed here.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 92.9% 13 JD G AP HB JW R B GA TH JVA DF AF RB
Abstain 7.1% 1 M
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

14 of 14 people have voted (100%)

JW

John Waters
Agree
Thu 6 Feb 2020 1:39PM

I'm excited about the potential of this project, but (as I've said before) I believe variety management and co-evolutionary adaptivity are essential design features here.

B

Bill
Agree
Fri 7 Feb 2020 5:38PM

I support the vision of collaborative, sustainable communities; VSM is a valuable approach to support this; Holochain, in principle, provides a distributed, P2P, low energy communication infrastructure. Holoports are now in test phase and so we can find out if it fulfills its promise for projects like this in practice. It’s interesting to speculate where Stafford might have gone with technologies such as this at his disposal - but now it’s up to us.

M

mike_hales
Abstain
Sun 16 Feb 2020 9:02AM

This looks like drawing-board architecture, while i think we need massive mobilisation of people intent on change, on listening to each other and on working together in commoning. Enough technologies are available, consciousness is lacking?

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:29PM

I need to know more and would love to participate

M

mike_hales Thu 6 Feb 2020 10:09AM

I guess this is a Loomio skills issue . . I find this thread isn't working for me as a format. Too many simultaneous proposals (and more to come, I expect). I find I've simply missed some being announced and one of these has closed. But scrolling down umpteen poll-comment subthreads isn't easy. Is it too late to deal with proposals as separate threads? I can see that this would mess up the clean top-level structure that @Oli SB maintains. But I don't find the 'Polls' tab a natural way to monitor what's currently under discussion - partly, bcos it means leaving the 'Propose a session' thread-page How are others finding this? Is there a skill I've not learned?

OS

Oli SB Thu 6 Feb 2020 11:48AM

Hi Mike - yes good point - I was not expecting so much discussion, but it has been excellent that so many people have shared thoughts, ideas and comments on the proposals. Happy to look at other ways to do this (or to make you an Admin, or anyone else that would like to volunteer as an Admin so you can have a go at re-structuring, if you like?) - but for now, if people ensure comments on each Proposal are relevant to the specific proposal, it might be OK?

M

mike_hales Thu 6 Feb 2020 5:03PM

I appreciate your invitation to Admin thanks but sadly I’m not able to pick that up. IMO people are being pretty good at not going off-topic, and the problem is rather one of too much complexity within a thread, with no means of filtering available in the Loomio interface.

SH

Steve Huckle Mon 9 Mar 2020 8:41AM

I'm with you on this - I've completely lost track of what's going on.

OS

Oli SB Tue 10 Mar 2020 12:10PM

Let me try to explain what is going on here!

This thread is simply for people to propose sessions for OPEN 2020. If you like the sound of a session then please vote "agree".

All the sessions proposed here will be added to the OPEN SPACE ideas board at OPEN 2020. They will be also immediately have stickers on them, to represent the number of votes they have gathered here.

The "dot voting" will continue at the event and the proposals with the most votes will be allocated time slots to run their sessions.

I hope that helps clarify what is going on!? If you want to comment under a specific proposal just vote and add a comment.

JW

John Waters Fri 7 Feb 2020 5:14PM

@Oli SB I see that one of the proposals has "closed" already (5th) and another is due to close tomorrow (8th). The proposers seem to have forgotten to set the closing date at 1st June. In the interests of fairness, can you extend the date for each until 1st June? (And is there anything in the settings that will allow you to preset the closing date for future proposals?)

OS

Oli SB Fri 7 Feb 2020 5:31PM

I have re-opened the closed one and asked @Gary Alexander to extend his - I can't see a way of auto-populating 1st June as the close date... - thanks for the nudge tho :)

JW

John Waters Fri 7 Feb 2020 7:39PM

@Bill I think SB would have been horrified to see the variety proliferation about which he was warning in the 1970s. Had Holochain been available then, maybe the variety equations would not have become so skewed. I hope it will provide an opportunity to retard further skew by putting control of personal data back into each individual's hands, but the amount of damage already done is nightmarish.

A

Poll Created Fri 14 Feb 2020 10:50AM

Working Session: Using Trustlines for People Powered Money In Your Community Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 9:01PM

Trustlines Protocol is a free, open-source technology stack designed for financial inclusion. It enables blockchain-based, peer-to-peer mutual credit which can be created and used entirely without an ID, bank account, or knowledge of digital currencies.

It can be used to build a medium of exchange that supports 1) accessibility, 2) censorship resistance, and 3) human-centered monetary design. Its ideal use case is for community-driven, local or alternative economies, as well as people who lack access to financial services.

In this session, we will be demoing the Trustlines mobile app, a free platform on which users can pay each other with mutual credit via the Trustlines Protocol. We plan to:

  • Give a brief background presentation on Trustlines Protocol

  • Onboard you to the Trustlines App, so you can send and receive mutual credit with people at Open 2020 and beyond

  • Brainstorm and co-design strategies for using Trustlines within your community

  • Receive feedback for improving the app to meet the needs of suggested communities

We hope not just to spread awareness of the technology we are working on, but to give people a chance to see it in action and try it out—especially those who never had the opportunity to use a digital currency before. This is free and open-source technology, and we want to share it in a way so that you can understand why it was built, give feedback or contribute to its design, and potentially use it in your community.

Here are some additional resources:

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 88.9% 8 JD GJ VG AP GA P AF K
Abstain 11.1% 1 M
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

9 of 9 people have voted (100%)

GA

Gary Alexander
Agree
Sat 15 Feb 2020 10:38AM

It looks very interesting, especially since it is actually up and running. I would love to see a demo, and hear how it might be made part of other projects, that add an additional social dimension as well as an alternative currency. Also, do you know about Holochain? How would your implementation be different if it used Holochain instead of Ethereum?

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Aleeza Wed 19 Feb 2020 11:33AM

Thanks for the feedback @Gary Alexander! Here's my analysis. Holochain architecture, by its nature, does not offer the possibility of a “global” map of all credit relationships. A global map is necessary to calculate the best transaction paths connecting friends-of-friends in the network. While I think it is possible to do pathfinding in a system like Holochain, it would be less practical. Also, note that Trustlines Protocol is actually using an Ethereum sidechain (Ethereum itself is too slow and expensive). We can set up a chat if you want to discuss it a bit more.

LH

Lucas Huber Mon 4 May 2020 1:57PM

Holochain can build up any other architecture. Ev. You need to ad a in memory database to allow fast pathfinding. Trustlines are only a small part of what you need for mutual credit. First you need a trust circle and for B2B a CRM and KYC.

A

Aleeza Mon 4 May 2020 2:26PM

Hm, actually I think that the speed of the pathfinding is a different question. My understanding is this: because there's no global map in Holochain, you simply wouldn't be able to do global pathfinding. Does that sound right to you? I think there should be a way to do pathfinding within the sections of the map that are visible, which may or may not be useful, I'm not sure.

I very much agree that Trustlines is only a small part of what you'd need for a mutual credit system. The app is just a bare-bones payments platform right now, nevertheless it could be a piece of the puzzle, as I don't think there's anything like it (at least nothing that's user-ready yet, which is a big deal). In my opinion, this is still highly experimental, both the concept and the tech. But personally, even though I think the question of tech is worth discussing, I'm more interested in testing the concept at this point.

OS

Oli SB Fri 21 Feb 2020 9:30PM

Really interesting proposal - can you tell us more about the current state of development? I couldn't tell from the presentation if there have been any investment rounds yet or not? Or what stage the platform is at? How many users etc?

Can you also tell us more about the governance of the platform and the technology? Who will own the platform itself and how will its development be directed?

Thanks for sharing this.

Oli

WH

Poll Created Mon 24 Feb 2020 4:02PM

Socially Enterprising - A Platform for Community Development (Presentation) Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:01PM

Socially Enterprising is a platform and strategy which brings together communities, civil society, businesses and the state and allows their strengths, assets and resources to be made available for community and social good.

We enable community, local economic development and social innovation to happen at scale.

We are designed to meet the needs of people and place as well as contributing towards multiple national and local governmental agendas including; the Sustainable Development Goals, Loneliness & Ageing and Community Preparedness & Resilience.

We tell a story of communities becoming confident and doing things for themselves.

We show how local people and businesses are actively making a difference to people’s lives through their own ideas and projects.

We want people, organisations and businesses to get involved and we use real stories to show that by helping our communities it is possible for everyone to achieve great things.

We build on this by connecting participants with information, tools and support that help develop their capacity to be more; confident, innovative, entrepreneurial and socially responsible.

Approach

Our approach works by interconnecting different; needs, disciplines, theories and practices to create a unified model which sits at the centre of our strategy.

Developmental

We recognise that many types of development (Personal, Organisational, Workplace etc.) can be met at the local level.

This allows us to put forward compelling incentives for local engagement for any individual, organisation or business.

We Turn Problems into Opportunities

Our model allows individuals, communities, civil society, business and the state to work together to solve local issues whilst generating various forms of social value, and at the same time benefiting their own personal, professional, or organisational development.

Asset Based

We expand upon the assets based model to include the strengths, skills, assets and resources contained within ‘all’ of the UK’s communities, civil society, businesses and the state.

Our Structure and Strategy

We are a multi-stakeholder cooperative platform that is funded through a membership model.

From the outset we were conceived to be non-competitive and inclusive with a strategy that would support and further the work of others whilst contributing towards the long-term development of every participant and member.

Our Status

We are incorporated as Socially Enterprising CIC and are currently looking for early stage interest, funding and partners.

The platform is built using open source technologies and is fully developed and working.

Our preferred route forward would be to pilot locally with select partners before rolling out further.

Why Open 2020?

We would hope that Open 2020 partners and attendees would see the potential of connecting their work and/or organisations into a system which interconnects communities, civil society, businesses and government.

Here is a link to the platform where you will also find supporting info and documentation for Socially Enterprising


Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 80.0% 4  
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 20.0% 1  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

5 of 5 people have voted (100%)

👤

Anonymous
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:26PM

I can participate and contribute to this topic

DU

Poll Created Tue 3 Mar 2020 3:33PM

Tax Carbon and Return 100% of the Proceeds to the Population as a dividend Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 5:02PM

There is are simple ways to reduce carbon use. Banning it may cause too much disruption. Capping use on a national scale would require armies of carbon accountants to determine the carbon footprint of every purchase. An interim measure would be to tax carbon at levels determined by economists and scientists to achieve zero carbon by 2025. Such an approach would be easy in terms of taxes on fossil fuels sold in the UK, but again would not capture the carbon footprint of imported goods and services. Carbon footprints of major imports would therefore need to be estimated and taxed accordingly.

Dramatic increases in fuel taxes have provoked riots in other parts of the world, most notably France and Chile. For this reason, and to promote climate justice, 100% of the proceeds should be returned to the population either as a monthly or annual dividend. Children should receive the same amount as adults. All residents of the UK should qualify.

Such an approach would benefit poorer people more than the rich. Poorer people have a lower carbon footprint but would receive an equal dividend as the rich. Within the UK this would represent climate justice. Such an approach has already been suggested in the USA and supported by notable academics.

However, such a solution would not represent international climate justice. That would require a cap on carbon extraction (100 companies account for 72% of all extraction) and the licenses sold for the limited extraction allowed would raise revenues sufficient for the whole world to enjoy a significant dividend (as much as $44/month) thereby ending poverty. The UK should lobby for such a scheme. In the meantime, UK Aid should be directed towards those in the global south suffering the effects of climate change as a contribution towards international climate justice.

Such an approach can also be extended to other areas of our commons; air, land and sea, as well as the digital and financial commons.

Presentation and Discussion

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 20.0% 1 BS
Abstain 20.0% 1 M
Disagree 60.0% 3 SG LS AP
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

5 of 5 people have voted (100%)

LS

Leo Sammallahti
Disagree
Tue 3 Mar 2020 4:06PM

While I support this policy, would prefer if the event would focus on new projects that attendees can participate in or replicate. Hope you do not take this in any way personally, it's genuinely a great idea worth of advocating, and I'm happy to help advocate for it. It's just not the sort of stuff I personally look for when attending the event.

M

mike_hales
Abstain
Tue 3 Mar 2020 6:43PM

This seems like a great principle and I support it, as a commons initiative. I’m abstaining bcos it seems to have nothing specifically to do with coops, and Open2020 is a coops event. I wish ‘coop’ automatically meant ‘commons’ but historically I don’t believe this is so.

SG

Simon Grant
Disagree
Sun 31 May 2020 5:12PM

Thisnis a great idea in principle, but I fear it is politically implausible at present, and I see really no connection at all with the central themes of Open 2020

BS

Billy Smith
Agree
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:34PM

While there are some issues i disagree with about this proposed solution, this is an interesting problem, that could be solved through a co-operative approach.

Possibly a Working Session to discuss some of the issues.

LS

Poll Created Sun 8 Mar 2020 5:54PM

Coop Exchange Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:03PM

Coop Exchange is a platform cooperative that will enable everyone in the world to invest in cooperatives around the world through a mobile app.

The app itself will be a cooperative, with people using the app to invest in cooperatives becoming members.

The cooperatives listed in the exchange issue non-voting investor shares that give the investors no voting rights, only a share in the profits. This ensures the cooperative will remain democratically governed by the members.

Our board members include the former president of International Cooperative Alliance Pauline Green, the former CEO of Midcounties Co-operative Ben Reid and Steve Gill, CEO of a tech company called VME, that provides software to most retail cooperatives in the UK, and is currently in a process of converting into cooperative ownership.

You can read more here.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 66.7% 4 GJ WH RB OBM
Abstain 33.3% 2 M B
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

6 of 6 people have voted (100%)

WH

Wes Hinckes
Agree
Fri 13 Mar 2020 10:25AM

Is this only for coops? Or are other forms of organisation possible?

B

Bill
Abstain
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:22PM

Please explain how this doesn’t simply provide a way for capitalists to invest in co-ops and extract profit, and a way to turn co-ops, via the shares, into tradeable stock companies.

OBM

Ollie Bream McIntosh
Agree
Sun 31 May 2020 10:09PM

An interesting potential solution to the 'capital conundrum'... I'd like to learn more :)

H

Poll Created Tue 10 Mar 2020 3:15PM

Cooperatives as the weavers of Sovereign Communities. Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:01PM

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Outcomes: To stimulate thought and discussion around how Cooperatives can better serve our Communities and effectively equip them for the Challenges of a failing neoliberal state. 


Intentions: To make the connection between Sovereign Communities and Cooperatives. To highlight existing international Cooperatives who are creating Sovereign Communities. To share ideas about how Coop’s can do this. 


-Vision

We have a dream that Cooperatives can act as the movers and mobilisers of communities; that cooperatives can be the spaces where marginalised, vulnerable communities seek refuge and in turn find their voice and power to create and make; make alternatives to the systems which oppress them. 

This dream, needn’t be just a dream. 

Cooperatives can, with intention and volition create spaces for communities to become increasingly more sustainable. 


-What is a Sovereign Community?

What is this, a sovereign community? It is a small-scale intentional community that lives in a mostly autakic way. Be it in a remote region or a city. And why do we need this? Because in effect, this community is a small-scale solidarity union, comparable to the extended ‘family’ concept, but voluntarily and supported by technological platforms. As such, these solidarity communities are especially stable entities, being able to outlive deflation, inflation, state bankruptcy, civil war and the like.


-Who are Equal Care? What are we doing?

Equal care are an emerging care and support platform cooperative starting in the Calder Valley, Yorkshire. On the ground, what we do is create spaces for different local communities. These spaces act as community circles whereby people needing care, people who can give care and friends and family of either of these parties can collectively discuss concerns, ideas and issues which surround care in their community. Effectively, Equal Care is facilitating the process of communities addressing and resolving their own care needs. Removing the in-human, reductionist processes mainstream organisations have in place.


 Why does this have anything to do with Sovereign Communities?

Sovereign communities are self sustaining communities that are politically, economically and to some degree financially stable. The roots of the seeds Equal Care are sowing reach into the realm of curating self sustaining communities. The circles we are creating are based on addressing care needs within local communities but the nucleus of this community, once functioning can morph and grow into something beyond care needs. 

The reason for this, is once a community has been re-established the community can act as a rhizome. It is able to address and resolve challenges collectively. It is able to draw on the foundational tools of organising, mobilising, communicating and supporting; applying this to any community challenge.


Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 5 WH E M JVA RB
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 0  

5 of 5 people have voted (100%)

JVA

Poll Created Tue 10 Mar 2020 10:41PM

Urban massification and depopulation in rural areas and how social innovation, cooperativism and landascape regeneration can make a more sustainable and human distributed world while we erradicate homelessness Closed Mon 1 Jun 2020 9:01PM

Problems:

Urban massification and pollution. European cities have more than 70% of the population and ban the most polluting cars is not enough.

Depopulation in the south and northern Europe: rural areas are losing population, consequently resiliency and economic capacity. The first to migrate are the more entrepreneurs, so we lose our biggest value: change-makers

Laws marginalize rural areas

Few economic capacities in rural areas

Caciquism

Solutions:

Cooperativism

Landscape restoration

Regenerative economies

Rural innovation

Decentralized and exponential technologies

Decentralize knowledge and opportunities

Opportunities:

Refugees resettlement and how to finish homeless

Massive rural and social cryptocurrencies

Create new and decentralized systems on the most deprecated regions based on c democratic confederationalism and co-ops

It can be a presentation, discussion, work table and more; probably a hackathon. I love hackathons and I'm willing to co-organize it

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 4 BS JVA DJ EF
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 168 DS EM JD BH WO DDB AD PA JN GJ JE JA JL UB R C G MSC CCC ML

4 of 172 people have voted (2%)

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:30PM

We have started to define the platform. We expect to relocate first resettlers next September.

DJ

Diogo Jorge
Agree
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:53PM

Seems like our proposals overlap. I would be glad to discuss it further if you feel like

GJ

Guy James Thu 12 Mar 2020 7:11AM

Just one note - I started reading your presentation and it starts with the claim that the 'sharing economy' has a potential value of 'hundreds of trillions of dollars' - given that the entire global economy is valued at around 75 trillion dollars, this seems a pretty exaggerated claim. I suppose it was just a typo and it should be 'hundreds of millions of dollars', or maybe billions, but definitely not trillions.

M

Poll Created Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:50AM

A working session on pattern language for transformative commons practice - A college Closed Sun 31 May 2020 1:39PM

Outcome
by mike_hales Sun 31 May 2020 1:45PM

Thanks all who voted for this. I've been overtaken by participation in the ontology thread, general conference organising, and a pair of sessions on 'tools infrastructure'. So my plate is full and I don't intend to offer a fringe event on pattern language and a 'college'. But I note who's expressed interest here and am sure we can convene a session after the conference, when dust is settling a bit and some direction has been established in the 'ontology' group. Watch this space. Thanks again.

There’s been discussion about the language of ‘new economy’, the need for an ontology, and a clarification and simplification of terms. https://www.loomio.org/d/roaZbk5B/-new-economy-ontology-working-group

I’m not in tune with a basically terminological approach. My feeling is that well-founded descriptions of 'chunks of practice' are needed. I also believe that the skilful way to approach this is through developing and mobilising pattern language. I propose a webinar that outlines and discusses three things:

- Pattern language(ing) as an approach to literacy and capability . . the distinct contributions it's designed to make, and the distinct kind of work it calls for, in developing and deploying it.

- Commoning as a core approach . . commoning of pattern language, commoning of means of subsistence and wellbeing in the real economy. “The commons is the glue”.

- A distributed ‘college’ of activist practice, constituted as a federation of social ventures that organise themselves as DisCOs and look after elements of the pattern language within the college commons.

There are three initial steps proposed in developing a language/college.

Commons stewardship is at the centre of the federation - in ‘the curriculum’ and in the practice of the federation. This is understood as a practice of dual power (commons transition). Protocols are an important element.

The above elements are outlined in a federated wiki http://2020college.federated.wiki/view/welcome-visitors/view/a-college---a-webinar-proposal-for-open2020/view/imagine/view/some-pattern-languages/view/commoning/view/curating-stewarding-and-enjoying-commons/view/a-college/view/three-initial-actions This link displays a lineup of eight pages, which give an overview. View this with your browser zoomed full-out?

This is the landing page of the wiki http://2020college.federated.wiki/view/welcome-visitors/view/a-college---a-webinar-proposal-for-open2020 There are tips there, on navigating in federated wiki.

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Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 92.9% 13 DS BH WO GJ SB KG SH JW D M R NM OBM
Abstain 7.1% 1 EF
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 135 EM JD DDB AD PA JN JE JA JL UB R C G MSC CCC ML WH PB JG LM

14 of 149 people have voted (9%)

M

mike_hales
Agree
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:56AM

I responded to @Ollie Bream McIntosh But bcos the response displays outside this proposal frame where Ollie asked his questions, you might lose it!. Hence this pointer to tie response.

SH

Steve Huckle
Agree
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:06AM

A webinar sounds like a great idea - "Commons stewardship is at the centre of the federation" - that's an important principle.

DS

Danyl Strype
Agree
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:01AM

Sounds good to me, I would participate in this.

OBM

Ollie Bream McIntosh
Agree
Tue 21 Apr 2020 4:13PM

This sounds great Mike. Can you clarify what form the pattern languages would take? Presumably each college would be working on their respective parts of the same PL? Would this be hosted on your fedwiki or at a new site altogether? Thanks :)

GJ

Guy James
Agree
Wed 22 Apr 2020 8:55AM

I need to learn more about pattern languages, so as a total beginner, I say go for it, and I will try to keep up!

WO

wouter@freeknowledge.eu
Agree
Wed 22 Apr 2020 5:55PM

I'm attracted to the concept of PL, and the work of a PL of commoning - I haven't gone in-depth in these terms and concepts yet, but what I did read sounds like very sensible. We (I guess all of us) try to federate social ventures as Distributed Cooperative Organisations ... what can we do to accelerate it and support each others sustainability?

NM

Nick Meyne
Agree
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:34PM

I like the reference to dual power, a pragmatic means of transition from the grassroots. Needs good tools and education resources. At Resonate we have great links with Cooperation Jackson and of course the cool dual power map from BSA https://blacksocialists.us/dual-power-map

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mike_hales Tue 21 Apr 2020 5:53PM

In this proposal @Ollie Bream McIntosh asked

clarify what form the pattern languages would take? Presumably each college would be working on their respective parts of the same PL? Would this be hosted on your fedwiki or at a new site altogether

Here’s what I envision . . Patterns would be classic Alexander pattern-form - Conditions where the pattern is needed, rationale & evidence for the pattern, pattern ‘diagnosis’/action statement, further pattern relationships furnishing more texture and refinement. See any of the pattern languages referenced in the wiki.

Each school would adopt a field of the pattern language, to cultivate within the evolving frame of the whole language, stewarded by the college. See the schema of “Schools (= families of patterns) within faculties, in a college.” on the college outline page. That outline is just a provocative sketch - what the faculties and schools actually cover will depend on how the language takes shape from contributions by contributors.

Contributors would be groups though (DisCo venture-projects, and partner ventures of the college, in the new economy) not individuals. A single group/network might possibly take up several pattern areas, if it has the scope. Equally, a school needn’t be a single pre-existing organisation - generally the schools would be federal, distributed, DisCO style projects, collaborations and alliances formed around the emerging language.

Putting patterns in a wiki (federation of wikis) is a basic part of the design. The process of investigation (action learning, action research, study circles) in the college would be wiki-pod based. The repository of pattern language wiki(s) would be created and updated by the college and by schools, under the stewardship and sanction of the federation. Operating a wiki farm for college members would be part of the basic digital infrastructure of the college. Many wikis would be created by participants, as part of the normal operating process of the college, through which contributors formulate, exchange, adopt and evolve insights. Wiki would be one of the basic media of the college - the common written form for shared descriptions and working material.

Ordinary wiki would have a place too - for manuals, handbooks, standards, procedures, protocols, whatever. Wherever an authoritative version of a document needs to be held. But imho federated wiki is the natural form for a pattern language to be held in. See pattern language features.

My 2020college wiki is just a working space, to assemble some basic design ideas and principles. In general, federated wikis are like notebooks - many of them, created for particular purposes, to do a particular job of work. Not huge agglomerations, like Wikipedia, not an encyclopaedia. Fedwikis have individual owners. The college wiki(s) would be ‘owned’ (rather, stewarded, maintained) by ‘registrars’ or ‘secretaries’ from the schools and the college commons, acting as agents of the pattern commons. The wiki(s) would be commons of digital media. But not open to all comers to write in. In federated wiki, you write in your own wiki. In the college, the commons would sanction what is to be put in the commons repo-wiki, after much forking and discussing of preliminary publicly visible thoughts and versions, in many working wikis.

Lets not get too tech and procedural about it (though protocols - and skill in protocolling - are fundamental). The college would operate as a commons, with a very active stewardship process. Digital media are only part of the commons. It’s a cultural commons, which means that the primary part of the commons is the collective labour power of its federated members. Cultivating the capacity ‘to pattern’ and get insight from patterns that have been evolved across many instances, in direct making of the living economy, as a widespread kind of literacy, is the main job of the college.

OBM

Ollie Bream McIntosh Mon 4 May 2020 3:39PM

Thanks for this explanation @mike_hales . All sounds good - my only concern is that as a resource for ultimately public benefit, the collegiate fedwiki system sounds like a lot of the information would be spread across several sites and therefore sort of squirrelled away from easy public consumption. Even navigating a fedwiki is a bit of a leap for our average fellow citizen - I showed some of this to my (relatively sharp and keen) brother and he scoffed and said 'this is ridiculously confusing'... I'm sure with a bit of a chance to figure it out he'd be fine, but I think it's worth tuning into this type of response. Many times have I tried to encourage him to look into 'new' economy initiatives and see where he might lend his support... his general response, bar a few well-produced YouTube videos, has been that "the whole thing feels super complicated", and very exclusive by design. "If you get it, you're in the club, if you don't, go figure it out on your own, bye".

This 'ontology' effort was intended (on my behalf at least) to curb these sorts of reactions and help bring the uninitiated into the fold. Although of course the beauty of these things is that they are liable to evolve far from their origins, (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong)... I envisaged a working group seeking a format/method to pool and showcase a helpful/explanatory set of definitions, examples, etc, which plot out the essence of the 'new' economy **for the benefit of as wide a public as possible**.

By now I feel this proposal has inherent value for all except the last part of this brief ("as wide a public as possible"). Have I missed something here? Please do let me know. As for the 'in-group value', this does seem to help develop a vital 'capacity to pattern', and that's great.

I'm happy to move forward with this, but I have to emphasise that as it stands, the whole thing is a touch hifalutin... is that fair? I understand that this is a reflection of the high degree of expertise in this group, and I'm sure this could be addressed by ensuring that all of these efforts feed into an output that is consciously immediately accessible, but I wonder how?

So... to clarify a few things... each registrar and their respective group of contributors contributes to a specific field of the pattern language (eg: in-here, here, we, region) on an ongoing basis. And the individual entries, the patterns themselves, where are they viewable? Only in the fedwiki structure? Or are they (/could they be) automatically harvested and made viewable somewhere else, less intimidating to navigate, with a focus on accessibility? If you were explaining this to my brother, how would articulate the process (in a sentence) and the value of the outcome to him as an interested party wanting to know what the 'new' economy looks like?

And lastly, as @OliSB was keen to do last week, should we schedule a call for us to finalise a sentence or 3 describing the purpose of the working group and then outline next steps, using this entry in Mike's fedwiki as a reference point..? http://2020college.federated.wiki/view/welcome-visitors/view/a-college---a-webinar-proposal-for-open2020/view/imagine/view/some-pattern-languages/view/commoning/view/curating-stewarding-and-enjoying-commons/view/a-college/view/three-initial-actions

Looking forward to moving this forward :)

BS

Poll Created Mon 1 Jun 2020 3:54PM

Building a Fairer World Through OSHW Digital Fabrication. Closed Thu 4 Jun 2020 12:04PM

Outcome
by Billy Smith Sun 7 Jun 2020 9:47AM

Hi everybody, :D

The out come is that a group of us would like to talk about this. :D

While i have taken part in a number of online events, I haven't set up or run an online event before, so i could do with some advice.

There are different approaches that could be used, but i haven't tried many of them, so i'm looking for some advice about the best way to do this.

Options so far:

- Zoom Meeting;
- YouTube stream;
- Discord Chat channel;
- Other existing options that i don't know about yet.

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What other options for communication channels exist?
What will the preferred options be for the Open2020 itself?


As a species, we have had the technological capabilities to feed, clothe, house, educate, and, provide medical/social care, to everyone on our planet, since the 1850's.

As our global population levels have increased, so too have our technological capabilities, but people are still starving, unclothed, homeless, illiterate, and, are dying from treatable medical conditions.

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In the last 20 years, the price-point of tools for Digital Fabrication, and, Digital Manufacturing has dropped through the floor.

This means that it is now possible for smaller-scale manufacturing facilities to be built that give the same Economies-Of-Scale as the large manufacturers.

Using Co-operatively-owned Digital Manufacturing facilities to act as Distributed Manufacturing Nodes, we will empower everyone to build the necessary infrastructure to change their situation.

It's the engineer's solution.

Build your way out of trouble. :D

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I would like to talk about the Open-Source HardWare approach towards fixing these long-term problems, and, how we can empower people to do this for themselves using a Co-operative approach. :D







Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 13 DS JD GJ SG BS B R MF JVA OBM A EF JD
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 159 EM BH WO DDB AD PA JN JE JA JL UB R C G MSC CCC ML WH PB JG

13 of 172 people have voted (7%)

JVA

Jordi Vidiella Amposta
Agree
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:23PM

This si something several people mentioned to me, whether it's for IT or for mkt services

A

Aimee
Agree
Mon 1 Jun 2020 5:02PM

great topic and sorely needed

DS

Danyl Strype
Agree
Thu 4 Jun 2020 12:37AM

Decentralized production of commons designs can help us relocalize economies while still cooperating at a global scale.

BS

Billy Smith Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:21PM

I forgot to mention the type of proposal.

I can do a talk about the main topic, but i would really like a working session, so we can talk about how we can start implementing these solutions. :D

OS

Oli SB Sun 7 Jun 2020 11:59AM

@Billy Smith we will be using tools from meet.coop for the OPEN 2020 event... but Zoom has worked well for us in the past... you can use whatever you like... just pick a tool and set a date and time and add the event to the OPEN calendar at https://open.coop/events/ if you set the date for a suitable time in the future (maybe a couple of weeks?) we will be more free to help promote and organise...(and possibly enable our video conference tools for you) but you are equally welcome to run it during OPEN 2020 on Thursday and Friday... although (unless it's after 9am or after 6pm) it will be running in parallel to other OPEN sessions...

You may want to talk to our friends at Wikifactory https://wikifactory.com/ who have been working on the topic you are describing for many years... they probably have some good experience to share... also, it would be GREAT to use this event as a chance to link up with https://www.opensourceecology.org/ who we are very impressed by but have never really connected with directly... could you maybe see if someone from both of those orgs would like to present what they are up to / be on a panel?
Best
Oli

BS

Billy Smith Sun 7 Jun 2020 5:33PM

This is why i am asking for advice.

I bought a ticket to the Open2020 conference, but haven't received any information about how to take part as a ticket-holding attendee.

I also had a look at the events page on https://open.coop/events/ and couldn't find a schedule of what was happening where.

Yes, I could dig through the list and work it out for myself, but it wasn't what was supplied when i last went to the physically-present conference.

If every presenter is using a different set of tools, then every attendee is going to have to sign up to a different set of services just to take part.

What is the standard set-up that will be used by the attendee's?

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I like the way that Wikifactory does things, but when i had an email conversation about co-operatives, they weren't interested in being a co-op.

I think that this is partly due to the way that they are funded, ie. VC money.

This is also why i have been reluctant to recommend them as a service, as they are vulnerable to the same attacks as Thingiverse and MakerBot. Internal bad actors selling out the community that their users had built. Often they don't have a choice about that as the VC's refuse to fund co-operatives. I found this myself when i was chasing funding.

I'll contact WikiFactory, but unless i can show them a simple set-up that they can slot themselves into, then they may be reluctant to take part.

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Similarly for the OSE project, they have limited time, so would need something already set up so that they know when to be there and where it is taking place. I'd be interested in meeting them myself. I did meet someone from a Berlin chapter of OSE, but that was 8+ years ago, and i have no idea of how to get in touch with them.

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So to repeat my questions;
- Is there a standard set-up that is going to be used during the conference?
- How do i access the schedule, so i know what timeslots are available?
- Is there a HowTo for the presenters?

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One of the earlier online conferences i took part in was the Open HardWare Summit 2020 back on the 13th of March.

They used a YouTube stream, along with a text-chat/video-chat channel running on a Discord instance, so they had break-out groups running on individual chat channels.

You can find their Discord set-up here, https://discord.gg/ZFrgyQ :D

OS

Oli SB Sun 7 Jun 2020 9:52PM

Hi @Billy Smith ,
Thanks for your reply - I thought people would have found the newer thread
https://www.loomio.org/d/sKPCrZqM/open-2020-fringe-propose-a-session
In which I tried to spell out the way things would work for the OPEN 2020 "fringe".

But only @Diana Finch figured out the plan and has added her event to the calendar...

So, in retrospect, I should have made it much more clear.

But also, although we could run the "fringe" events in parallel to the main event on 11th and 12th June, maybe that's not really the best plan because it will mean that people will not be able to attend all the events.

Perhaps a better, less stressful plan, which would give us more time to support and promote the fringe events, would be to run these after the main conference, one per week, on the usual Thursday 4pm (BST) slot we have used for the webinars leading up to the event?

I don't mind really - but don't think it's for me to decide.

The idea was that the fringe events would be self-organised... as we're quite busy organisng the main sessions... and that can still be the case, as with Diana's session on the Bristol Pound if people are happy to pick a meeting tool and date and time and add it to the calendar of events.

But if anyone wants help, organinsing their event, bringing in other panelists or speakers, and help with setting up a meeting space and promotion etc I can help, but realistically not until after June 12th.

Part of OPEN 2020 is about picking the tools we will use to collaborate going forward - including a new open source video conference space which we can all use...

To answer you questions;
- Is there a standard set-up that is going to be used during the conference?

Yes, we will be using BigBlueButton brought to us by a new platform co-op https://www.org.meet.coop/ and a different tool for break out spaces and networking
We will be emailing all ticket holders in the next few days with detailed instructions of how to get familiar with these tools and how to join the conference.

- How do i access the schedule, so i know what timeslots are available?

As above - you can pick any time you like if you're happy for your event to run in parallel to the main sessions. All sessions that are planned so far are listed on the event calendar https://open.coop/events/ or, if you would like support for your event, you could pick a Thursday slot and add it this spreadsheet and/or the calendar let us know how we can help.


- Is there a HowTo for the presenters?

Not yet no. There will be a 'how to' use the new open source video tools (which are only just being set up on a new co-owned sever as I type!) ... hopefully in the next few days.


It's too late to write more now but I'd like to collaborate with you on bringing Wikifactory and OSE into the conversation for your session on Building a Fairer World Through OSHW Digital Fabrication - it could be really interesting.

I hope that helps clarify the plans - and sorry if you feel let down by any of this in any way?

Everyone who is collaborating on OPEN 2020 is doing so for free and we've never run a fully online conference before so please stick with us! If we can pull it off, using open source tools we co-own... and agree further plans for collaboration after the 12th of June it will be a real step forwards towards co-owning our collective future. ;)

Best
Oli

BS

Billy Smith Mon 8 Jun 2020 3:17AM

Hi Oli,

Great to hear back from you. :D
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I slap my forehead thrice. :D

We're doing the usual folk-dance, the communication breakdown. :D

I wasn't proposing this as a Fringe session.

I was proposing this as one of the Main sessions.

That's why it's in this thread, and not the Fringe thread.

I'm happy to run it as a Fringe session, as i don't want to bollix up the schedule as currently set. :D
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"But also, although we could run the "fringe" events in parallel to the main event on 11th and 12th June, maybe that's not really the best plan because it will mean that people will not be able to attend all the events"

This was always going to be the case in a physically-present conference. It's how the conference was run when i attended at Goldsmith's College in 2017.

Multiple sessions running concurrently.

I haven't been able to make it along to the subsequent, physically-present conferences due to my accessibility issues, so if things have changed since 2017, possibly this could be made explicit for next time. :D
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The advantage of doing this online is that you can have more than one window open at once, and, you can scroll back to see what has already been discussed.

When i took part in the 2020 Open Hardware Summit on March, they had one main live-stream running on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifin8nPZpGA that you could scroll back-and-forth to catch what was said by the speakers, as well as the extended conversations that were running on the instance of Discord linked here, https://discord.gg/ZFrgyQ :D

It gives a very different feel to how an event runs, as the conversations on the Discord instance ran all weekend, and some of them are still on-going today. :D
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It also highlights the difference between the time-bound nature of the physically-present conferences, and, the asynchronous nature of the remote tools we are using to work together online.

( The asynchronous nature is even more true when you're working on hardware design, as machining, and, making, always takes time. :D )

Tools shape the way that you think, and new tools require new ways of thinking. :D
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That's great news for the BigBlueButton and the https://www.org.meet.coop/ platform co-op! :D

I choose to use FLOSS solutions rather than proprietary solutions, and, co-operative businesses rather than competitive organisations, whenever possible, and this will be a great addition to the tool-sets we have access to. :D

Looking forward to experimenting with the new tools. :D

Good luck with the new server. If you need another beta-tester, then feel free to shout me. :D
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How do we move this part of the conversation to the Fringe thread? :D

Billy :D
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PS: Looking at the sessions, and this would run nicely as a use-case in the https://open.coop/events/the-tools-of-collaboration/ session. :D

There are some energy-niches of hardware where the most effective solutions are ones that you have to build for yourselves. :D

OS

Oli SB Mon 8 Jun 2020 9:18AM

Thanks Billy

How do we move this part of the conversation to the Fringe thread? :D

I posted it there yesterday too - just to make sure others had seen it...


I wasn't proposing this as a Fringe session. I was proposing this as one of the Main sessions.
I'm happy to run it as a Fringe session, as i don't want to bollix up the schedule as currently set.

Oh, OK. Either way... Personally I'm keen to avoid parallel sessions as I don't want to miss anything and the beauty of running the event online is that we don't actually have to cram it all into 2 days... so hopefully we can continue to meet and collaborate asynchronously, as you say :)