Appeal to State Council : Proposal that the Pirate Party contributes

Excellente nouvelle ! J'ai reçu le verdict du Conseil d'État, et il nous donne raison sur toute la ligne !

Le Conseil d'État considère que les projets de délibérations ne sont pas confidentiels (argument évoqué par la commune pour ne pas les trasnsmettre) et qu'elle n'avait donc aucune raison de ne pas me les communiquer ! La commune avait également dit que mes demandes étaient abusives parce que je demandais les projets de délibérations avant chaque conseil communal… Le Conseil d'État considère que ce n'était pas un abus : « Chacun a intérêt à agir en vue du respect de ce droit fondamental et à contester les refus de consultation qui lui sont opposés. L’exigence d’intérêt au recours contre le refus de communication d’un document administratif, ne consiste pas à imposer au requérant de justifier l’usage qu’il compte ultérieurement faire du document sollicité. »

On va rédiger un communiqué de presse assez bref, en attendant d'écrire un article plus complet.

Je propose de faire une réunion (en ligne mais aussi en présentiel pour celleux qui veulent) afin de debriefer et de commencer la rédaction de l'article. Voici le sondage pour la réunion : https://poll.parley.be/studs.php?poll=yC4gPACgWjexp26w

Great news! I have received the verdict from the State Council, and we won!

The State Council considers that the draft deliberations ("projets de délibérations", aka the draft minutes) are not confidential (an argument put forward by the city for not transmitting them) and therefore the documents had to be communicated to me!

The State Council considers that this was not an abuse neither: "Everyone has an interest in acting to ensure that this fundamental right is respected and to challenge consultation refusals. The requirement of an interest in appealing against the refusal to communicate an administrative document does not consist in requiring the applicant to justify the use he or she intends to make of the requested document at a later date. "

We will write a short press communicate, while waiting to write a more complete article.

I propose to have a meeting (online, but IPL for those who want to) to debrief and start writing the article. Here is the survey for the meeting: https://poll.parley.be/studs.php?poll=yC4gPACgWjexp26w

Very impressive, @HgO !!! Congrats!!

Sounds like something Transparencia will be very interested in as well. (Hopefully they will share the communiqué as well.)

I filled in the poll for a meeting. There's a few things, I must say though.
-The press communiqué has apparently already been written, approved (by 3 pirates, without discussion), and published on the website and FB. Only in French. I didn't know this was allowed. (I'm not saying I disagree with the content. It's about horizontal democracy, delegative powers for redactors, quality check of publications, etc ...)

-Here's a Dutch translation if you're interested. It has two alterations as opposed to the French version, merely as suggestions. https://pad.parley.be/p/communique_Nederlands

-Yesterday, I was mysteriously kicked out as an adminstrator of the facebook-page "Pirate Party Belgium". No communication why or by who. Is there a connection to the publication of this article there today?

Anyway, good work, HgO, and all others who worked on this. It's really great!

You're right to make that comment about the communiqué. Tuesday afternoon we discussed in the chatroom about releasing a communiqué quickly, because other parties in Braine wanted to talk about it but were waiting for us to do it before. So I proposed to work on that the same day for a quick release otherwise we wouldn't have control of the content in the press. The work started that same evening, and it went actually so fast that it was done before I even thought about informing on Loomio. So we are then stuck in the evening with a communiqué that needs a quick release, and I sent it to the press.
I agree it's not the ideal way, but I feel like the only thing that would have changed if I had shared it is that we would have published it later, maybe a whole day later, without relevant changes to the text :/ As you can read, it's actually very descriptive and factual text, and it's not some form of promise or engagment of the PPBe.
I'll pay more attention to that next time, to avoid misunderstandings and bad habits. The opportunity and the emergency kinda dictated the choices here :/

The press has published about it in la DH yesterday evening https://www.dhnet.be/regions/brabant/waterloo-braine/le-conseil-d-etat-donne-raison-au-parti-pirate-608992877b50a61692843a20 and in La Libre this morning https://www.lalibre.be/regions/brabant/le-parti-pirate-demandait-l-acces-a-des-documents-communaux-de-braine-l-alleud-le-conseil-d-etat-lui-donne-raison-608a54357b50a61692899d27 (both articles are the same).

Hopefully someone can proofread your translation (thanks for it!). From what I read, it seemed ok :)

"Yesterday, I was mysteriously kicked out as an adminstrator of the facebook-page "Pirate Party Belgium". No communication why or by who. Is there a connection to the publication of this article there today?"

I would also really love to understand why that has happened. It's a strange coincidence, but hopefully it's only a mistake by another admin.

I understand. In fact, after giving it some thought. There's not really much harm, like you say. Except maybe there's no Dutch or English translation. It's very unlikely this will be picked up by Flemish press, but maybe in BRussels? There's bruzz.be.

Anyway, a clear, transparant and internally widespread protocal might be handy. Like you say not everybody needs to approve of distributing simple facts, but 3 pirates are good for quality / language control. Also, who publishes what where. For some people it's harder to get permission to post an article on the website than for others. Food for a dialogue later.

See you soon, hopefully.

If I recall correctly, the previous communiqués were (most of the time?) sent first in one language, then later in the other one. It's not really a problem because as @Renaud Van Eeckhout said, we are communicating about facts, with a statement to explain the Pirates ideas. Usually, we are reacting to some news, so it's important to quickly communicate about it. For instance, if we didn't communicate fast about our victory, probably other parties would have done it. But we didn't have this pressure from Flanders, since the facts happened in Braine-l'Alleud (although the lack of transparency is present in many Belgian cities). Ideally, we would have more people able to translate and check the articles, but that's not the case right now... Anyways, I'd be happy if we release the communiqué written in Dutch :) Just let us know when it's ready.

Maybe @Patrick Installé could grant you admin rights again? I'm not on Facebook, so I don't really know who is admin or not.

It's ready as far as I'm concerned. As I said, for the flemish press, there's indeed no rush. But in Brussels there's some English press as well.

Anyway, I see now 5 people are available on thursday and sunday is not a popular option anymore. If thursdayevening is the date, I'll have to see last minute if I'm available.

Félicitations pour cet aboutissement positif de la procédure entreprise. Est ce que finalement ça a été financé majoritairement par toi-même sur fonds propres ? c était déjà environ 4 ou 5000 euros il y a quelques mois, c est un gros investissement.