Loomio
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:45AM

Delete our twitter account

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 57
  1. Our use of twitter is an endorsement of twitter
  2. We cannot rely on it as a platform for free speech.
  3. There is already documented cases of censorship.
  4. We should be promoting decentralized replacements like mastodon

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/01/11/twitter-censorship-what-is-shadow-banning/

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-has-gone-from-bastion-of-free-speech-to-global-censor-2017-6?IR=T

PP

Poll Created Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:48AM

Delete our twitter account Closed Thu 4 Apr 2019 9:03AM

Outcome
by Pirate Praveen Tue 9 Apr 2019 3:31PM

We don't have a consensus, so our options are 1. Modify the proposal and try to find consensus 2. Try the same proposal among associates and finally refer it to permanent members.

We should stop endorsing this platform for censorship and promote decentralized replacements like Mastodon.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 44.4% 4 PP RD P S
Abstain 11.1% 1 JI
Disagree 44.4% 4 AG A R SK
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 148 AS MK SK NV BC FGP AR AK AKS J KAK SK S MKT NAJ PS AA SA JN VM

9 of 157 people have voted (5%)

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Pirate Praveen
Agree
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:49AM

Yes, we need lead this change

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Ranjithsiji
Disagree
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:56AM

Reaching to the masses is first priority. But we use Mastodon for most. And promote Mastodon through it. Like for more details come here.

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Appoox
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:33PM

While we should promote democratic decentralized alternatives, leaving the platform as a whole is not a loss for the platform, but for us for losing a place to speak out.
I rather think of Facebook and twitter as a privately owned marketplace. While the place sucks, leaving it, just means that those potential audiences in these platforms never find us; Instead, if we keep a handle there, if so even just to promote alternatives, that might be better, in my opinion.

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Appoox
Disagree
Sat 30 Mar 2019 5:50AM

While we should promote democratic decentralized alternatives, leaving the platform as a whole is not a loss for the platform, but for us for losing a place to speak out.
I rather think of Facebook and twitter as a privately owned marketplace. While the place sucks, leaving it, just means that those potential audiences in these platforms never find us; Instead, if we keep a handle there, if so even just to promote alternatives, that might be better, in my opinion.

JI

Jackson Isaac
Abstain
Wed 3 Apr 2019 2:44PM

I do agree and as per my knowledge, it has recently come up in lot of articles regarding censorship, etc. At the same time, I think that twitter is also a means to reach out to a greater audience. Although it might not align to our ideas, but why not use it to our advantage. E.g., promoting twitter followers to move to other decentralized platform. I haven't heard of Mastodon, same would apply to others as well. We should probably phase out of twitter instead of suddenly deleting.

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Pirate Praveen Wed 27 Mar 2019 9:27AM

@ranjithsiji @gounder are you saying we need to care about only what benefits us even at the cost of damange to entire humanity? Or do you disagree about harms by twitter to free speech?

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Ranjithsiji Wed 27 Mar 2019 11:52AM

The question is do we need to reach out to more people. OR. we want to reach to the people who only care about free speech. DO we need to reach to people who don't know the damage and benefit of free speech. I think we need a migration plan.

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Alexander Gounder Wed 27 Mar 2019 9:52AM

I am saying let's not jump the gun and delete things so fast, we may need the platform to reach masses, we can't bring change within our comfort zones.

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piratekp Wed 27 Mar 2019 11:57AM

We could probably keep the account in twitter pointing a pinned tweet towards mastodon

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Smith_ai Sat 30 Mar 2019 3:55AM

we cannot criticize status quo without being close to online social media. Thus twitter account is essential, while as @piratekp stated, a leg in mastodon/gnusocial must be there. Transition in mass happens only when there is a gradient.

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Akshay Thu 4 Apr 2019 4:37PM

With the votes tied, although I'm late, the way I solve this issue may be interesting for a possible solution here.

I've also been finding twitter too much of late. Them switching to algorithmic feed by default is fine, but removing the option to view tweets chronologically wasn't. Also a lot of other issues made me want to rethink my twitter account.

I, so, setup a blog with a microblogging theme at https://shares.learnlearn.in/ (which is a domain that I control). I then created IFTTT rules (could as well have been node red, but did not have time) to automatically post things from there to twitter. So, I currently do not post anything directly on twitter. That way I have protected myself from twitter. The same can be setup for mastodon or wherever we want to syndicate to. This is the POSSE strategy. https://indieweb.org/POSSE

Now, that doesn't solve the problem of whether our use of twitter is an endorsement of twitter or not. Actually, we can have it written everywhere on twitter that our use of twitter is not an endorsement of twitter. We can make our cover picture, profile, bio, even have it in every tweet that we don't endorse twitter. I think that should cover the endorsement aspect.

With both these, I think we can still continue to have an account on twitter while avoiding two major issues.

Yet, there can another issue be raised that if we leave twitter it maybe a reason for people to come out of twitter on to better platforms. I think that is a complex argument with a lot of supporting and opposing points.

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Poll Created Tue 9 Apr 2019 3:38PM

Schedule deletion of our twitter account after 1 year Closed Tue 23 Apr 2019 4:01PM

Outcome
by Pirate Praveen Wed 24 Apr 2019 9:22AM

Since we did not get a consensus here, I will move this poll to associates sub group. If required, to permanent members sub group as well.

Earlier proposal to delete twitter account did not get consensus, so I'm modifying the proposal. 1. We should clearly state in our profile that we do not endorse twitter or support its censorship policies. 2. We should promote decentralized/federated alternatives through our account 3. We should schedule deletion of our twitter account after 1 year and announce it.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 80.0% 8 PP JI B V P TMB R AN
Abstain 10.0% 1 R
Disagree 10.0% 1 GE
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 149 AS MK SK NV BC FGP AR AK AG AKS RD J KAK SK S MKT NAJ PS AA SA

10 of 159 people have voted (6%)

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Tue 9 Apr 2019 3:39PM

Yes, we cannot depend on a platform like twitter to sustain democracy

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raghukamath
Agree
Tue 9 Apr 2019 3:57PM

But we can have a setup where our mastodon toots are retweeted on twitter, see how FSF does this. https://www.fsf.org/twitter?pk_campaign=social_media

AN

Anjan Nath
Disagree
Tue 9 Apr 2019 4:46PM

We can use twitter to spread the word about mastodon, @ranjithsiji has mentioned, cleaver techniques can be used to bring people to mastodon through our twitter posts

AN

Anjan Nath
Agree
Tue 9 Apr 2019 5:04PM

Sorry i had not read the new proposal, i am for deleting twitter eventually and promoting decentralized alternatives using the handle there.

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Ranjithsiji
Abstain
Thu 11 Apr 2019 9:25AM

I think we can take this decision as and when it is ready. May be within one year. May be more time. As and when it is ready to delete.

V

vik@hamara
Agree
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:48AM

Deletion after 1 year makes sense to me

JI

Jackson Isaac
Agree
Mon 15 Apr 2019 4:45PM

I agree to this decision to gradually delete twitter account.

PP

Pirate Praveen Tue 9 Apr 2019 4:28PM

@raghukamath FSF does not have a strong position about censorship like they do for privacy (they are not on facebook). We have strong positions on both.

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Pirate Praveen Wed 24 Apr 2019 9:30AM

Since we could not find consensus at this stage, I have moved it to associates sub group. https://www.loomio.org/d/U9NaOiKt/schedule-deletion-of-twitter-account-after-1-year