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Mon 5 Nov 2018 11:57AM

Giveth Galaxy vs Giveth

S Satya Public Seen by 217

Tension
The initial mission of Giveth was to build the future of charitable giving by building and growing the Giveth platform (dapp). Since then Giveth has become a collection of different initiatives, many of those not directly related anymore to the initial mission. We now refer to Giveth as a Galaxy of ideas, concepts and initiatives that mainly seek to help to move the Ethereum space forward. It has become an Ethereum incubator.

This change of scope is confusing for both team members, as for the outside world and for the community. To the outside world Giveth is mainly regarded as a donation platform and it is this aspect that people find fascinating and opens doors.

On the other hand a lot of team members love the idea of being a Galaxy, and we are all proud that great projects have come out of it.

But the two have been conflicting for a while now within the team, and they are very confusing for outsiders.

It also makes it very hard / impossible to well-position the Giveth dapp and push for adoption, as the requirements for branding and communication are very different from Giveth Galaxy.

I believe that positioning both worlds better will help relax these tensions and open the door to a prosperous future... to boldly go where no-one has gone before.

Proposal
Use the Giveth Galaxy name to build a strong umbrella brand for all the different initiatives. This brand will have its own logo, website, positioning. The main domain / entry will be givethgalaxy.com.

Keep using the Giveth.io brand and domain for the donation dapp. This brand will also have its own logo, website, positioning. It will keep a reference to the Giveth Galaxy, for example as ‘a star within the Giveth Galaxy’, but its main domain / entry will be giveth.io

I believe that by doing so we make it very clear for both the outside world and the inner team what is what (e.g. similar to Aragon vs Aragon.one). We can both focus on our strength, building great brands, products and communities, while maintaining a coherent ‘Giveth Galaxy’.

But…I imagine this is a very sensitive issue. Everybody loves Giveth, but the fact is Giveth is changing a lot, Devcon4 made that very clear. It’s time to move forward and not be attached to the past.

The (sad) alternative is that the dapp will pick a new name and continue with that. It’s not a fork, but we’ll be forking off the Giveth brand.
To be clear, we very much do not prefer this option. On the other hand we are also convinced we need to have a clear positioning and branding to drive adoption of the dapp and truly build the future of charitable giving.

So I hope everybody can and will be aligned on this!

Giveth Galaxy for the incubator and gov experiments
Giveth for the dapp

Cheers!

JF

Josh Fairhead Tue 6 Nov 2018 6:57PM

The dapp should adopt a new name/brand and move to a new domain

Giveth.io > Portal page with "foundation" style info
New site > galaxy.giveth.io
Dapp (now) > beta.giveth.io
Dapp (later) > dapp.giveth.io

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Dani Tue 6 Nov 2018 7:07PM

The dapp should adopt a new name/brand and move to a new domain

Changing my vote after several conversations with individuals. I appreciate the subdomain approach for different orbits. At the heart of it all I believe that the DApp is a tool for the community, we're not a community based on the tool.

GG

Griff Green Tue 6 Nov 2018 8:49PM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

I wish there was an option for leaving it how it is. I don't think the dapp is ready for using the domain name, but eventually I would love for the Giveth DApp (Not the Giveth DApp team) to be on Giveth.io... but we need a lot of bug fixes, ux testing, etc. To happen before it goes to the main site. When the users like using it, we should start talking about moving it to giveth.io.

edit: added a new option

PW

Parker Williams Tue 6 Nov 2018 9:02PM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

Changing my vote to the option that avoids separation. There's a lot to discuss and unpack here and only 500 characters so I won't try but again, I believe a split hurts both sides and should be avoided

YM

Yalda Mousavinia Tue 6 Nov 2018 9:49PM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

Giveth is the broader brand, the dapp is a product/ subproject of the ecosystem. From a product marketing perspective it doesn’t make sense for a single product to be called Giveth. But the dapp can be a subdomain of Giveth.io

JE

Jeff Emmett Wed 7 Nov 2018 12:44AM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

From what I have seen and heard of this discussion, it seems there are planning and communication difficulties that have lead to differences of opinion as to the best path forward. I believe that if the purpose of Giveth team members remains aligned, these tensions can be mitigated through the use of collaborative tools to aid planning and asynchronous communication among distributed teams like the Giveth Galaxy, which is stronger for each individual committed to seeing it succeed!

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Dani Wed 7 Nov 2018 12:26PM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

Changing my vote again. New option more accurately portrays the Giveth community, and its suite of charitable technology tools that connect blockchain entities to social impact initiatives. Thoughtful design will support a natural subdomain approach to different orbits. also understanding that the DApp will have additional identity and scope forthcoming that will reside outside the Giveth domain.

JF

Josh Fairhead Thu 8 Nov 2018 1:25AM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

Giveth.io > Portal page with "foundation" style info
New site > galaxy.giveth.io
Dapp (now) > beta.giveth.io
Dapp (later) > dapp.giveth.io

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Loie Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:50PM

The DApp should stay at beta.giveth.io and the Giveth website content can include both the DApp and Galaxy

At this juncture I would be fine with either things staying how they are, or DApp under current dapp team moving to a new domain/brand. But I voted for keeping things as they are because I think this is a huge decision that's maybe not well informed right now, and is a hasty jump towards separation. Moving the current giveth site makes zero sense.

AS

Adam Stallard Thu 8 Nov 2018 5:18PM

Move the current Giveth site to galaxy.giveth.io, the dapp product site will be on giveth.io (with reference to galaxy)

I think either of the bottom two options are fine--I would have voted for both, but I only got one vote.

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