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OVNs list of expenses

TB Tiberius Brastaviceanu Public Seen by 222

Sensoricans are deliberating about what should be considered as an essential expense and what is the order of importance of expenses.

DECISION:
Let's create an ordered list of essential expenses.

STARTING POINT
* Physical infrastructure: lab rent, lab insurance, phone bills, Internet bills, office consumables...
* Virtual infrastructure: web hosting, domain names, subscriptions to services...
* Important roles: animator, lab responsible, network guide, outreach...

TB

Tiberius Brastaviceanu Mon 14 Sep 2015 6:10PM

I would add to this list spending on formalization of SENSORICA's finances, accounting and legal stuff.

Finances: hire a financing specialist to assist SENSORICA in formalizing its processes, in order to comply with the law.
Accounting: hire a specialized accountant to make sure that our activities are auditable and in compliance with regulations
Legal stuff: hire a specialized lawyer or a group to turn our prototypes agreements into well-written agreements and contracts.

TB

Poll Created Mon 14 Sep 2015 6:14PM

Tibi's proposal for spending priorities Closed Thu 17 Sep 2015 6:08PM

From the highest to the lowest priority:

  1. Physical infrastructure: lab rent, lab insurance, phone bills, Internet bills, office consumables…
  2. Finances, accounting and legal stuff.
  3. Virtual infrastructure: web hosting, domain names, subscriptions to services…
  4. Important roles: animator, lab responsible, network guide, outreach…

Working doc for rationalizing this list here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cm2w2KH0LMQ_S-ztQeKef6ukSw0GAvqLhICuICmJVz0/edit

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 40.0% 2 BD AK
Abstain 40.0% 2 FB FD
Disagree 20.0% 1 JA
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 30 TB BH LF TLM A GC SB DBM MF BM VG YG CM P CD A AA YV VN FEK

5 of 35 people have participated (14%)

FD

Frederic Durville
Abstain
Tue 15 Sep 2015 1:40PM

I would put virtual infrastructure first - without a web presence, it would be difficult to keep the OVN.

AK

Abran Khalid
Agree
Wed 16 Sep 2015 1:55AM

I would bundle virtual and physical infrastructure together. Virtual infrastructure costs a fraction of physical. Plus, physical already includes phone bills, internet bills. Not a huge leap to include virtual and physical under "infrastructure".

BD

Brastaviceanu Daniel
Agree
Wed 16 Sep 2015 5:52AM

pretty straight foreward

FB

Fabio Balli
Abstain
Wed 16 Sep 2015 7:07PM

I feel this should be decided by the people who finance Sensorica, but I feel the proposition can be improved.

JA

Jim Anastassiou
Disagree
Thu 17 Sep 2015 5:14AM

I agree with the items on the list but not on their order.

FD

Frederic Durville Tue 15 Sep 2015 1:38PM

At this point, I don't think that hiring an accountant or lawyer is necessary....
FD

TB

Tiberius Brastaviceanu Wed 16 Sep 2015 4:02AM

@fredericdurville here we are deciding what to do with the funds, once we get them. Once we get funds, i.e. more money through CAKE, the government can be on our doorstep to see what we do and how we do things. We all know that, like Bitcoin, SENSORICA finds itself in a gray zone. We need to make sure that everything we do is at least not illegal.
A few of us have taken personal responsibility with CAKE, the custodian of SENSORICA, through which funds are redirected to the network. I, for one, want to be covered and do things according to the Canadian law.
If anyone has questions about how we run things we can discuss.
If anyone else wants to play the role of administrator of SENSORICA's custodian, while taking responsibility, be our guest.

If anyone can bring us a lawyer and an accountant for free, even better. But I will not operate CAKE for SENSORICA without being certain that we're not infringing on some laws.

BD

Brastaviceanu Daniel Wed 16 Sep 2015 4:41AM

If I understand, we're talking about CAKE... local stuff. Right?
This would be money for the FabLab?
Sorry.

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