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Thu 14 Dec 2017 9:04PM

Structuring the OAE around agents

LF Lynn Foster Public Seen by 72

All Agents All the Way Down....

This is another thought experiment for how to structure the Open App Ecosystem. The focus here is on economic activity, but it applies to everything people might want to include in an OAE. Feedback and discussion very welcome!

What if we did a radically decentralized version structured around agents (people, organizations)? (This is not a new idea, has been thought about and worked on by others before. But this is to take those concepts and think about using them to structure a whole OAE - the one we are working towards here.)

Every person would operate from their own Person node (which is a personal agent). Every organization/group would be an Organization node (an organizational agent). So the ecosystem centers around agents. Agents are connected to each other by various relationships or activities. Everything that happens is stored by all the agents that are involved, wherever they store their stuff.

So, let's say Jim, Tibor, and Draft decide to create something together which they want to exchange with other people. Like some fig, pig, and goat pizza.

Their Personal Agents will agree on the rules and plans for how to do it.

They will need to create some kind of joint identity which will be an Organization node (which is an organizational agent), so that other Person nodes can order pizza from it, and so that their work and other contributions can be combined into the actual pizzas. Let's call it the Open Pizza Bistro.

The Organization node could deploy Process Bots for each pizza that needs to be created, with the size and maybe some selected special ingredients or variation, like skip the pig and goat, we want vegan.

On request from Jim, Tibor, or Draft, the Process Bot will list the work requirements for this and other upcoming orders. Each of the people will commit to which work they want to do. Since they are not employees, when they actually log their work (using the Process Bot), their work will be an economic transfer of resources from them to the Open Pizza Bistro. If (for example) Bob wants to exchange some dessert for some pizza, then all of the people who had transferred some work to the process of making that pizza will be due for a share of the dessert.

Bob will need to order the pizza from some node, because it is not coming from Jim, Tibor, or Draft individually. And the organization could deploy a bot that takes orders. But sooner or later, some live people will need to do some live work, and maybe one of them will take orders, too, since bots can be a little too rigid about pizza order variations, and this dessert exchange idea might also confuse the bot, so Bob might want to connect with a human. Likewise, when it comes to ordering ingredients, and especially making agreements with ingredient suppliers, a bot might be too limited. So the Person nodes will need to act for the Organization node in many cases.

So the people who created the organization will need to make some decisions about who can do what in representing the organization. This is similar to organizations in real life. An organization can have agency (make agreements with other agents, for example) but the agreements are always executed by people who are related to the organization. So Jim, Tibor, and Draft will need to decide who has what kind of role in the Open Pizza Bistro, so the Bistro can execute its agency.

Notes

There is no monolithic system here that Jim, Tibor, and Draft need to use. Each of them is always operating from their own personal node, hosted by them or a hosting service they choose. They probably each belong to several other organizations. From a personal node, the person could potentially see everything they are involved with - their work (job, freelance, for fun, to help out a community), their offers/requests/exchanges, their accounts of different kinds, their social network, etc.

An operational system is composed of all of the resource flows or other connections among all the related nodes. Each organizational node will have in its database records of all of the economic and other events that happened in its scope. Each person node will have the same. It would be possible to look at larger pictures from some overview scope, for example, a bioregion. Or it would be possible to follow a chains of events to see where the wheat came from that went into the pizza, to see how local it was, and how much waste was created. Or to see what your friends are posting about.

So, there wouldn't be lots of different platforms that want people to join them any more, except perhaps transitionally. There would be no NRP, no Odoo, no DigLife, no Communecter. (With all due respect of course!) All the great and useful functionality from those platform apps would be broken out into pieces that could be plugged into the decentralized agent-based apps so people could see and interact with others, either as part of an organization or not. (Like the DigLife bot and diagrams and the Communecter maps and a lot of the UI could still work.)

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Draft Mon 18 Dec 2017 3:10AM

I mean if it works, let's do it !

BH

Bob Haugen Mon 18 Dec 2017 12:15PM

Lynn and @ivan116 are working on it, but we only work when we have a live user group to collaborate with. And it's still a lot of work...fun, but work...takes time...and patience,,,

LF

Lynn Foster Wed 20 Dec 2017 10:06PM

Here is a really interesting article, hat tip @elfpavlik

https://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2017/12/20/paradigm-shifts-for-the-decentralized-web/

BH

Bob Haugen Sun 24 Jun 2018 2:54PM

I just saw @olisb 's Planet Operating System article again, cited on social.coop. It depicted an agent-centric architecture in the beginning of 2017. Did Oli coin the phrase?
https://open.coop/2017/01/10/planet-open-source-operating-system-collaborative-sustainable-economy/

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Oli SB Mon 25 Jun 2018 12:07PM

Ha! Thanks Bob - I don't think so - plenty of people have used that phrase before me... Building PLANET has always been a bit of a dream really... and is my core interest in OAE - But now, the more I read and understand about Holochain the more I think it may now be possible, and possibly that Holochain will be first to provide the perfect framework for PLANET... see my latest post on this if you're interested: https://open.coop/2018/06/14/holochain-perfect-framework-decentralised-cooperation-scale/ (part 2 coming soon) best, Oli

BH

Bob Haugen Mon 25 Jun 2018 12:54PM

plenty of people have used that phrase before me

I first heard it from holochain, and I think your article preceded their first publications, but maybe it was there in ceptr literature before then.