Loomio
Tue 22 Jan 2019 10:21PM

We should create an ELF management manual as a matter of priority

DC Dean Cameron Public Seen by 138

This proposal failed to pass because Tom abstained. The problem is that this task doesn’t have a thread attached to it. the consequence of this is that once a vote is over it cant be revisited or discussed and even before it's over it can't be discussed because vote comments cant be replied to or discussed. This is going to mean we go nowhere slowly. I'm going to make a proposal in this thread that allows us to resolved failed votes because so far of all the votes we have had only 2 I think have passed using the ELF Constitution voting criteria. and there has been little feedback on it from the proposers and so no resolution of the failed votes. If we are going to be accountable as a group we must follow up and resolve failed votes and either agree that the proposal is dropped or modified.

DC

Dean Cameron Tue 22 Jan 2019 10:38PM

in this thread Tom mentioned enspiral as a model to remove the need for a management handbook/manual. Having combed through the enspiral website I cant find any justification for this position. They are big on clear communication and accountability https://medium.com/enspiral-tales/how-to-create-powerful-accountability-questions-for-self-management-605c90f260a2 and have a handbook so everyone knows what is expected and where they stand. I cant understand the magical thinking that resulted in this proposal failing. Tom are you proposing we just adopt the enspiral handbook? Please explain why you think enspiral can avoid getting us to document our procedures for interacting and making decisions? I like their handbook https://handbook.enspiral.com/ and also their method for continually improving it. But it isn't a substitute for what Sam is working on. There is also a thing happening I have noticed that if someone abstains or disagrees with a proposal early in a vote others don't bother voting. I'm presuming its because they then assume that the vote is lost as no consensus so why bother. This is not good faith participatory democracy but puts forward the idea that their ideas wont make a difference so leads to apathy on a vote. If this is the case then I think we must change the way voting works from consensus to just a straight 75% of a quorum and treat an abstention as an indication that someone doesn’t want their vote to be considered as part of the quorum count. That is an abstention says count me out, I don't want to be considered a member for this vote.

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pospi Fri 25 Jan 2019 9:02AM

So, the task did have a thread attached to it- this one. I created it in there because I felt it was a decision relating to task workflows & procedures. It occurs to me that this situation is what the "fork" feature is for- the appropriate course of action would have been to fork the decision and relevant posts off into their own thread if you felt they needed to be discussed in-depth separately to the main line of discussion.

DC

Poll Created Tue 22 Jan 2019 10:45PM

new proposals protocol Closed Wed 30 Jan 2019 10:02PM

every new proposal must have a thread attached to it so we can continue to discuss why a proposal failed and how it could be modified to make it acceptable to achieve a good faith group consensus

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 6 P DC RW MK S DU
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 2 T NH

6 of 8 people have participated (75%)

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Dean Cameron
Agree
Tue 22 Jan 2019 10:47PM

participatory democracy only works if everyone who cares about an issue votes. We need a mechanism to exclude people from the vote count who don't care about the outcome.

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Sun
Agree
Thu 24 Jan 2019 12:20AM

I believe Sam os working on the management manual/protocol

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pospi
Agree
Fri 25 Jan 2019 9:03AM

Yes, it's a no brainer but we already do this. See my comment here.

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pospi Fri 25 Jan 2019 8:55AM

FYI I just linked the proposal in question to your original post since it was not at all clear what you were talking about and somewhat difficult to find.

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pospi Fri 25 Jan 2019 9:05AM

Now we have a thread about creating a management manual which has a completely unrelated decision in it, but it's a process I already covered in the management manual so I guess that's ok. Shall we move on to the issue at hand?

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pospi Fri 25 Jan 2019 9:07AM

I agree with what @deancameron is saying about voting quorums & abstaining above but I am going to put that decision in the correct thread rather than here as it has nothing to do with the management manual.

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pospi Sun 27 Jan 2019 11:45PM

FYI I am going to go ahead with updating this document for Slack and log hours against it in the token tracking sheet. We can figure out what that means in terms of share structures & work categories later.