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B Bobby Public Seen by 43

i have teck

SG

Sally G Thu 24 Apr 2014 1:55AM

What facilities would you need in our venue/campsite/etc.?

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Lisa Thu 24 Apr 2014 2:12AM

Tents? or should people bring their own? Cooking facilities, tables and chairs if possible, air conditioning or lots of shade, bathrooms/portapotties, space for evening activities (movies, teach-ins, GA's, yoga, etc.), parking, electricity or generator(s), space for (how many people? 300? 500?), nurse or other medic, (our own) security (Brown Berets provide security at many Sac protests)

SG

Sally G Thu 24 Apr 2014 2:19AM

Lisa; that is off topic for this discussion; can we start another for that? None of that (except electricity, maybe generators) relates to the online aspect, which is (I thought) what this discussion is about.

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Bobby Thu 24 Apr 2014 4:27PM

we will probably need a tent for teck storage and canopys for online outreach area... i am bringing my hp envy 17 it can run multipal feeds just need extra monitors and a few other tidbits... bringing a 10 man tent and a canopy.also we might do some teaching anonimity online to folks and discs with software ready to installl etc will need usb internet connection(costley stuff)

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Tricia Thu 24 Apr 2014 11:38PM

We are starting to ask for budgets so we can crowdfumd for specific things, like the caravan and sanitation and food. If you make an estimate on how much you'll need we could see about setting up a crowdfumd for tech or use the one crowd funding site or the donate button to the AfGJ for all bottomliner budget items .

JC

Julia Clark Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:23AM

Well the kitchen/decompress area will need wifi.
That should be rented. I priced those once. I am not certain if I documented the cost through.
To design something you gotta know what you need first.
Let's start with 3 hotspots....... Ok I picked up the phone and called on of the places we had talked about on April 2nd Markos Michada << so spelled wrong I am sure. << picked up ad will be sending me specs and prices.
To architect the specs of what there is to work with is needed. Markos is sending that to the JCorg .
I will forward to the tech team and try to map rough guideline out . If I think about it , I'll throw the call up on the site along with the pics I am trying to get rolling this evening. http://natgat.juliaclark.org/index.html

We had talked about

JC

Julia Clark Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:34AM

The site is up and I am stil waiting on Markos from http://www.freedompop.com/# email I will keep this thread updated.

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Jackie Fri 25 Apr 2014 2:54AM

there's this one too
http://www.daypasswireless.com/

probably others - but have heard of those two

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Kerri Fri 25 Apr 2014 5:47AM

if we pick an indoor venue like the "mall" then power will be covered, but we may still need hot spots if there's no internet there already too. some of the coordination, restreaming, etc. can be done off site by Occupiers at home too. it's something those of us who cannot travel can help with. Robert AC may have some input, and Dan is getting Occupy Television ready to launch by then. might be good to list our "known assets" like at home help and the equip Bobby mentioned

JC

Julia Clark Fri 25 Apr 2014 7:07AM

No email from his yet. I am gonna have to call it a night soon.
I'll post the spect when I get them

Known assets would be really helpful
They can be listed here
http://natgat2014.titanpad.com/33

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Jackie Fri 25 Apr 2014 1:43PM

that doc ^ is to add Content for the Hub page, Resources
http://interoccupy.net/natgat2014/resources/

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Poll Created Tue 29 Apr 2014 12:32AM

Creation of a Vitural NatGat Stirring Commitee Closed Sun 4 May 2014 8:05PM

I propose we empower a group of individuals to coordinate efforts to provide digital access to NatGat live online during and create an online archive of offerings.

Let's leverage Loomio this way:

Agree: Like the idea & I want to join group
Abstain: Like it, can't help
Disagree: Don't like, Won't help.
Block: Haven't read, not sure what this button does.

;)

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 20.0% 1 J
Abstain 80.0% 4 J DH CS DB
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 43 M J FW J BW LS TL JH T P JC KAF L SG C CG K LRR UB CM

5 of 48 people have voted (10%)

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Justin
Abstain
Tue 29 Apr 2014 12:33AM

I'll support via social media & can help if asked, if needed.

CS

Chas Schaeffer
Abstain
Tue 29 Apr 2014 3:30AM

Several people in this group are working on that project.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/573275506081781/

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Jackie
Agree
Tue 29 Apr 2014 5:44AM

I'll more than likely not be at natgat and can support from home computer. I can help keep offerings organized and post out through our various channels.

DB

Delphine Brody
Abstain
Sun 4 May 2014 8:47AM

Yes, and let's make sure that the group of individuals who want to provide social media updates or live stream reports has support from -- and accountability to -- the NG Organizing Group via weekly calls in the lead-up and NG participants via GAs.

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Tricia Sun 4 May 2014 1:17PM

I like the idea of an easy to use virtual platform for the "fireside chats" and skill shares via webinars or streams that includes the listeners and viewers

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Poll Created Sun 4 May 2014 11:01PM

Use Best Practices of Occupy to Create Online Component Closed Wed 7 May 2014 10:07PM

For those who cannot attend in person, we will coordinate and align online resources for streaming live video. Will work with Livestreamers and research ways to bring the gathering to the "viewing audience"

Here's an article to inform the decision.

http://occupythesocial.com

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 66.7% 4 T CM S N
Abstain 33.3% 2 J DH
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 43 M J FW J BW LS TL JH J P JC KAF L SG C CG K LRR UB CS

6 of 49 people have voted (12%)

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Tricia
Agree
Mon 5 May 2014 11:54PM

Many people are realizing they can't go in real life. It'll be good to let them know we are working on ways to let people at home participate

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NikiV
Agree
Tue 6 May 2014 6:24PM

There are soooo many ways to implement this, and we should use them all!

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Jackie
Abstain
Wed 7 May 2014 1:57PM

I think the online component needs a team dedicated to making it happen and includes more than the viewing audience - thought it was about ways to participate in the gathering online through discussions, skillshares, etc.

SG

Sally G Mon 5 May 2014 1:10PM

For those agreeing; can you assist, suggest resources, etc. Please do more than just say “this is a good idea”; we need all hands on deck!

JC

Julia Clark Mon 5 May 2014 6:24PM

I never heard back from Markos. A bit of research and maybe freedompop is not the way to go for the wifi.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/freedompop
I can still reach out to freedompop and see what they can provide at what cost, but I was not able to pick up the phone and ring them because they have taken their number off their website.

Who was next on the list for wifi recruitment? If anyone remembers...

SG

Sally G Tue 6 May 2014 2:17PM

@juliaclark I do not see anything in the Linked In profile that suggests that Freedom Pop is not the way to go, unless you are thinking that it is too new/small? Of course, you talked to them, not I, so cerrtainly take your lead on this.
What made me think they would be appropriate is their tag line, “The Internet is a right, not a privilege” and their interest in providing services in neighborhoods that are under-served. Not sure of their capacity or interest (latter not looking good if they are not returning calls.)

JC

Julia Clark Tue 6 May 2014 2:32PM

@jackie I was concerned about the negative feedback about customer service. Coupled with the fact they did not email the information promised. Markos seemed a bit, ...err how you say... put upon when associating with the Occupations. I am pretty sure I recorded the conversation. I'll up load it and reach out to them again, right now.

JC

Julia Clark Tue 6 May 2014 3:43PM

They had removed thier number from thier website, however, I had it in my records. I just called them and they left me on automated hold for over ten minutes. Considering I asked for information to be emailed and he did not do such, I am wondering if "the internet should be free" is a gimmick .
anyway here is the first call to Mark @ Freedompop.
https://soundcloud.com/the-jc-organization/initial-contact-freedompop-monitored-call-139838398913423954-92461399389661

JC

Julia Clark Tue 6 May 2014 3:48PM

Actually their tag line is "the internet is a right, not a privilege."

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Tricia Tue 6 May 2014 6:55PM

The online component is going to have to have a field organizer or three who organizes and helps the streamers to record and publish to a platform.

SG

Sally G Wed 7 May 2014 3:40AM

O.K, not returning calls/extensive holds are bad. I have had no problems myself, but no need to call on customer service once the device was activated (and that was a simple call), so cannot comment on overall CS.

SG

Sally G Wed 7 May 2014 3:45AM

Reasonably fair points in the Time article; careful reading showed me all of this, but it could have been clearer. I was unaware that there was a 99¢ fee; guess I have never gone a month without using it! Recently I have been able to get Optimum at work; previously I could not and did many a NatGat Facebook party last year with my FreedomPop.
Anyway, it seems clear that they are not interested; sorry to ramble on.

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Tricia Wed 7 May 2014 1:41PM

in the twitter best practices discussion the idea of making a Tumblr page came up. It looks like an good and easy way to congregate all the streams and images in a blog. It'll keep people up to date and eliminate the need for a stand-alone website.
"Tumblr lets you effortlessly share anything.
Post text, photos, quotes, links, music and videos from your browser, phone, desktop, e-mail or wherever you happen to be. You can customize everything, from colors to your theme’s HTML." http://www.tumblr.com/about

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Jackie Wed 7 May 2014 4:18PM

I created an Online Component subgroup.

Once we have a lot of energy for something, let's move into smaller working groups, so the main page holds items of group wide interest or need, and the subgroups organize around the work.

Please join the group if you are going to contribute to the online component.

SG

Sally G Wed 7 May 2014 7:52PM

@Jackie That just means I have to join more subgroups! grr. O.K., how do I do that?

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Jackie Thu 8 May 2014 4:33AM

On the home page (click Occupy National Gathering above), to the right of the list of discussions, there's boxes with Description, Sub-Groups, Previous Decisions. Click and view the subgroup and ask to join.

It really will make it easier in the long run - this is going to take a lot of pieces to put together. A lot of folks like something but can't help with. It helps communication with the people working on the project to consolidate comms space.

I could be wrong. loomio's design of the main list is pretty easy to navigate. just going by former models of forming wgs for working teams. they created the sub-groups category, so I'm figurin' it's meant to be used.

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NikiV Tue 15 Jul 2014 11:33PM

bump .. Jerry Ashton was inquiring about doing a live steam vent maybe we can coordinate that and prduce a live stream from here as well to reciprocate?!

TF

Toad Ficca Mon 28 Jul 2014 6:40PM

Don't do twitter...think it is a waste of time...just sayin...this actually might be a mute point, since I will be on the ground anyway...but for others? I know an awful lot of people that don't do Twitter...if that helps in the decision-making process...if we want to stream...try not to make it too difficult to do, technologically, we are a simple folk, and if you want to reach outward to all: remember that! Thank you.

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Tricia Tue 29 Jul 2014 1:55PM

Occupy Television just went live this week. It's not for live streaming, but it will post our stuff. http://occupytelevision.com

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Tricia Tue 29 Jul 2014 2:02PM

Does anyone recommend downloading Mumble> http://mumble.sourceforge.net

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Jackie Wed 30 Jul 2014 8:40AM

Yes!

You need to take the time to do the Audio Wizard and adjust your sound. Phil Andrews, who hosts the server recommends doing it with normal household noise. It's awful if the sound isn't right. If it is it is fun. You can talk and take stack like maestro, and chat live at the same time. It was really cool with the 80+ on the transnational call on last year's natgat.

NatGat3 Mumble
occupystates.org
password is occupy

you can go to that channel and look for Phil in the tech room. he can help.
there is a phone app but don't have the info offhand.

MT

Mark Taylor-Canfield Fri 1 Aug 2014 9:50PM

I've been trying to find out who is coordinating online component on the ground at Nat Gat. I'd like to do a livestream presentation on press freedom. Don't know if I'll see messages immediately at Loomio but you can contact me at:
prnw.mark@gmail.com

Thanks

SG

Sally G Sat 9 Aug 2014 9:53PM

@marktaylorcanfield Again we basically failed at remote (though the media call on Thursday went well). This should be our top goal for next year, I think, especially if we consider doing regional gatherings rather than a resource-intensive national gathering.