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AK Avi (Dr KBH) Public Seen by 24

Proposal for series of articles

AK

Avi (Dr KBH) Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:02PM

Hi fellow members. I would like to publish a series of 5 book reviews based on a reading circle I am running over the summer and autumn. In addition an introductory piece based on an edited version of the attachment that addresses 'cooperativeness' more directly.

AK

Poll Created Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:06PM

Book Review Series Closed Thu 10 Jun 2021 4:04PM

Outcome
by Avi (Dr KBH) Thu 10 Jun 2021 4:06PM

Thanks Jonathan and Jonny, and everyone else's comments :)

Agreed, I am not against Leo or Iwan (I have published an article here via their editorial process), just think it would be good to state that there is an editorial process and what it is and for some bios of editors on website. This helps readers, and even me, understand what MI is partly shaped by. Which goes the same for MI focus. Again perhaps clear for some, but not clear for others. Thanks for those links, very helpful.

Also I hope this little experiment has proved helpful. It has to me at least in testing what the collective editorialism would yield. Next Reading Group/Book Review series more directly on MI focus!

Look forward to where this convo goes :)

Avi

This is a proposal to see whether you agree to the publication of this 6 article series over the summer and autumn. The first one should go out in a week or so and then it's every 6 weeks or so. See attachment for more detail :)

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 27.3% 3 JE AK RS
Abstain 18.2% 2 JD JF
Disagree 54.5% 6 LS KB ID CS SO GH
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 20 BM AM JB M N MAS G AH TF L SP JM MR SC V MB GN JJ PK

11 of 31 people have participated (35%)

SO

Stephen Owen
Disagree
Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:06PM

Whilst I agree with the idea in principle Avi (and have written a book review myself prior) , you need to go through the editorial process.

LS

Leo Sammallahti
Disagree
Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:06PM

See comment below for reasoning.

JD

Jonny Denfhy
Abstain
Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:06PM

I think some of the themes discussed in these books are interesting and relevant to MI but I'm not sure as a series it fits entirely with what I understood to be the intended output of MI. Maybe some books that more closely link these concepts together could be good. For example, "the village against the world" a book about the 'communist' village of marinaleda in andalucia, Spain, which built a farming cooperative off the back of agrarian land reform as well as a municipalist approach.

KB

Kenneth Baumann
Disagree
Mon 7 Jun 2021 7:06PM

the proposal is too vague. i don't want to open .doc files as they are vectors for malware. the full nature of the proposal should be submitted in plain text in the post.

LS

Leo Sammallahti Tue 8 Jun 2021 11:54AM

While the books seem interesting they don't seem to fit (my personal and individual perception) of the distinct focus Mutual Interest has had, apart from the Ocalan book. While initially I envisioned quite a strict set of topics (co-ops, unions, land value tax, anti-trust and intellectual property rights), we have since taken a broader direction. Am convinced broadening the focus has been the right thing to do, even through I personally had previously been opposed it.

So it might very well be that I'm wrong this time too, but do think we should have a distinct focus, even if it means not covering some important and interesting topics that don't fit that focus. That focus does not have to be strictly defined, but generally would describe it as revitalising the classic labour movement organising methods - co-ops and unions, alongside more broadly presenting economic analysis from a mutualist/distributist/market socialist perspective.

Am open to broaden, and even if I wasn't, if other members wish to do so they have every right to do so, and I will remain as committed to the project whatever path we collectively choose to pursue. However, do think that focus should be somewhat defined and distinct from other publications and wish we wouldn't end up as a more general left leaning publication with a different ownership and governance structure. In other words, what is the area of focus we could have that no other publication has? I want readers who visit our site and see our articles go "I get it, this is what sets the publication apart from everyone else".

Also totally open to changing the editorial process, but then I would personally think we need to have a discussion on what that process would look like beforehand and have members agree on it. For example, if the vote is public and not anonymous, the people opposed to the proposal might feel more social pressure not to voice their opinion compared to those who support it. This is why we have decided to do the participatory budgeting process anonymously.

Also, it might be worth considering guidelines on whether each article pitches are voted separately instead of in bulk (this vote gives no option for those who might want to see a book review of one of the books but not of some others, like me), whether inviting all the members in every decision about whether to publish an article leads to notification spam, etc.

AK

Avi (Dr KBH) Tue 8 Jun 2021 3:15PM

Thank you for responses so far.

"what is the area of focus we could have that no other publication has?"

Precisely. What is this?

"editorial process?"

Okay. What is this?

LS

Leo Sammallahti Tue 8 Jun 2021 5:03PM

I don't think there is another publication where a similar portion of the content is focused on both unions and co-ops (especially consumer cooperatives have historically played as important part as trade unions in the history of the left, but currently they are almost entirely neglected in other publications) and that has a similar mutualist/distributist/market socialist take on the economy. Grassroots Economic Organizing comes close, and would see it as a publication most similar to ours.

The editorial process is that people send their articles to the editors who then decide whether to go ahead with them or not.

AK

Avi (Dr KBH) Wed 9 Jun 2021 9:31AM

Okay!

But this is not what is publicly written on the website.

Please make this correction a priority, otherwise its very misleading.

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